Updating X-Wing: Alliance Ship Stats

[Inquisitor1138]

[CRMcNeill]

Never bothered. Generally, the capital ships in XW:A either already have game stats or aren't interesting to me. I think the one exception was the MC40 (the concept of smaller MonCal ships always interested me), but the image in the game was just hideous. I ended up repurposing the MC40 as this EC Henry creation and using the canon MC40's fluff to fill in some of the details.

On top of that, until I can get my Capital Ship Combat concept fully realized, capital ship and space station stats just aren't as important to the game as balanced starfighter stats. If I were to do a conversion stat of that platform, I'd probably do a simple ratio of Shields and Hull values relative to an ISD or an MC80.
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[Sutehp]

[CRMcNeill]

Good points all around, and thanks for jumpstarting my thoughts on this. I don't have time to do anything with it right now (changing jobs and moving out of my apartment), but here's a rough idea of where I'm leaning:

-Space of 10, but jumps to 14 when the SLAM engages.

-It seems awfully silly to me that a ship get that much of a performance boost simply out of shunting the power from one laser cannon, so I'm thinking of switching the SLAM from "Sublight Laser Acceleration Module" to simply "Sub-Light Acceleration Module", then have the SLAM require shunting Auxiliary Power to it to use it.

-I'm also thinking of giving the Missile Boat a more robust Power Transfer system, with some systems (especially Shields) able to take up to 2D of Auxiliary Power. The ship will have 2D of available Auxiliary Power (unlike the 1D for most ships).

-To make full use of the SLAM module, the pilot would have to divert all 2D of Auxiliary Power to the engines and the SLAM module (1D for the SLAM, 1D for All-Out).

-Since the Missile Boat is (obviously) mainly a missile combatant, the laser is somewhat superfluous, so I'm considering dropping the laser in favor of either a heavy blaster or auto-blaster.

-I'm also going to redo the stats for the Fractalsponge Missile Pods on this and the Assault Gunboat. As near as I can tell, the Pods serve as armored box launchers, and the tubes inside are interchangeable, so it can be fitted with tubes of varying sizes; the smaller the tube, the more that can be fit in. This will allow for much larger loadouts of smaller missiles, thus allowing the ship to approach its official loadout capacity.

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[CRMcNeill]

Missile Boat stats posted in the Fractalsponge topic.
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[CRMcNeill]

Also, taking into account the deleted scene from Solo, I went through and modified my various TIE stats to include the Copilot Droid Brain where it felt appropriate. Basic TIE/ln models don't have it, but anything with a specialty mission or ordnance launch capability is equipped with one.
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[Whill]

[garhkal]

[Inquisitor1138]

[CRMcNeill]

…what ship are you doing?
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[Inquisitor1138]

[CRMcNeill]

At that size, try adjusting for Scale. And round all fractions to the nearest 1/3 and convert to pips.
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[FVBonura]

I have been reluctant to post on this thread. The problem here is huge. I have been trying to translate X-wing Alliance stats to WEG D6 stats for quite some time using Linear Regression. There is only an agreement of about 32% (R squared about .3165) with the two systems.



I trust everyone here is familiar with the "Relative Speed / Maneuverability Chart" produced for the motion control cameras for "Return of the Jedi". X-wing Alliance is more conformal to the original camerawork specs of ROTJ than the SWRPG. As best as I can deduce, West End Games buffed the Rebel Fighters and nerfed the Imperial Fighters to improve player survivability. I suspect WEG's logic was respawning in a PC game takes seconds, respawning in an RPG can take longer by orders of magnitude so they made the RPG easier. The X-wing series of PC games from 1991-99 has seen thousands of times more playtesting than the SWRPG and the games have made subtle changes from game-to-game, to the ship stats, for game balance. The WEG stats have not changed from 1987 to 1998 save for adding metrics related to Second Edition. It is a terrible shame and it would have been a tall order if the various license holders of Star Wars could have compared notes and coordinated with vigor. Alas...

This leaves us three paths to a solution, each with compromises and tradeoffs.

1. Conform to West End Games and adjust X-wing Alliance metrics to match as best as possible. The tradeoff is ships with no hyperdrive or shields will perform worse than the heavier ships. Also ship performance will not conform to movie footage.

2. Conform to X-wing Alliance and adjust WEG metrics to accommodate to the PC game. This will emulate the effects of heavier ships carrying shield generators and hyperdrives. The tradeoff will be reduced new Rebel Player Character survival.

3. Develop a new system conformal to the "Relative Speed / Maneuverability Chart" trying to emphasize power-to-weight. The tradeoff here is much more work to form a balanced solution, and the issues that will occur with community consensus and adoption.

Once again I defer to the preferences of the community, request wider study, and additional discussion here and in every social community that uses these SWRPG rules.
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[CRMcNeill]

I don't think you need to wait for a consensus here to post your work. Generally, when I posted my stat re-writes, I explained my reasoning for any changes, but a lot of it was intuitive in nature. There's nothing stopping you from doing your own posts on a similar mien; in fact, posting stats themselves (with your reasoning explaining why you made any changes) often seems a better conversation starter than simply asking for input.
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[FVBonura]

I don't know if starting a second X-wing Alliance thread is necessary. My post above outlines the systemic problem. WEG never corrected any of their stats, they copy/pasted them again and again, errors and all. I plan to adopt option 2 for my personal campaign but I would still like to hear what others think because I miss things. You spotted that I mistyped the maneuverability on the TIE Interceptor and that was helpful.
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