All About Lightsabers FEEDBACK

[Dredwulf60]

[CRMcNeill]

I ended up tying it to the Initiative roll, where the character who won Initiative controlled the range, so that a Shoto (which I prefer to call a Lightblade, but I digress) against a Lightlance would try to get in close, while the Lightlance would try to keep several meters of separation. A standard Lightsaber would be the middle ground, being disadvantaged at both Close and Reach ranges. Under my system, Initiative came with certain advantages, such as being able to pick offense or defense, and could switch sides multiple times over the course of a battle.

At the moment, I'm rethinking my system w/r/t a few new wrinkles, like nuclearwookiee's Concurrent Action Penalty house rule.
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[Naaman]

I think Exalted ties the weapon length to initiative, as well.

One of the things I'll need to address is the problem of why all Jedi aren't running around with extended lightsabers.

There would have to be a trade off of some kind.

WotC originally required an additional feat for proficiency with the extended lightsaber, then they changed it so that only the double bladed lightsaber required a specific feat.

I could see requiring a separate specialization like the double bladed lightsaber or else suffering some kind of penalty.

[CRMcNeill]

It could be philosophical reasons instead of practical ones. A Lightlance might be considered too much of an offensive weapon for most defensive minded Jedi; maybe it’s more of a niche weapon for Jedi who’ve trained in mounted combat (which is an official discipline in the EU, despite never being given a “Form” name).

Imagine a double-blade dual-phase saber...
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[Naaman]

I made some changes to the rules:

I changed each of the forms to a standard skill (or "skill variant") rather than a specialization.

I originally set them up as specializations because the RAW suggests that martial arts and boxing are specializations of brawling. However, since we also have special variants of lightsabers (double bladed lightsabers, etc.) I felt that it created a conflict: a Juyo specialist who wields a double bladed lightsaber would not be able to take advantage of the combination of Juyo + double bladed lightsaber with the single attack roll.

The other problem this creates is that, per RAW, a character with just the "lightsaber" skill could use any of the 7 forms (since the base skill covers all specializations under it). Making the forms base skills thus requires specific training in each form to put it's techniques to use.

Now, such a character would be able to roll Lightsaber (Juyo): Double Bladed Lightsaber for his attacks.

Note that a character using Lightsaber (Juyo) can use ANY lightsaber to fight with, but without the specialization must overcome the increased difficulty associated with the more exotic lightsabers (in this case, the difficulty is 25 if the character does not have the specialization).

For example, as per the normal rules, a character with the following skills must use the base skill when using any lightsaber other than one covered by his specialization:

Lightsaber 6D
Lightsaber (Juyo) 6D+2
Lightsaber (Juyo): Double Bladed Lightsaber 10D+1

When using any aspect of Juyo with a standard lightsaber, the character rolls 6D+2. When not using Juyo, the character rolls 6D.

[Naaman]

Concerning the dual phase lightsaber, my thinking right now is this:

The benefit of the weapon is to keep opponent's at a distance. This gives the wielder the ability to make attacks while mitigating risk to himself.

As of now, I'm thinking that the character should get a bonus on parry rolls to represent the increased difficulty of getting close enough with a shorter weapon. Once inside the guard of the extended lightsaber, this bonus is negated, and should probably become a penalty of some kind.

Also, when fighting in a crowd, the extended lightsaber becomes a liability.

More to follow.

[Whill]

But what about these lightsabers??

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[Naaman]

Sigh... Disney...

[CRMcNeill]

[CRMcNeill]

Since you mentioned attacks of opportunity, I've wondered of late if that might be a possible approach to Trakata, with Trakata allowing the practitioner to get in an unopposed "cheap shot" against an opponent, with the degree of success dictating exactly how high the Damage roll can go...
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[Mamatried]

Love the lightsaber thread.
Great work done.

One question though, I could not find lightsabers like Ezra's , one with a stun blaster/blaster incoroporated.

is this and other types of exotic lightbares something you will dive into?

[Naaman]

Trakata is on my radar since one of my d20 characters used a modified version of it occasionally.

In d20, it's simple enough to use the feint-in-combat rules, which deny a character the "dodge" portion of his defense.

In D&D Oriental Adventures, they also had iaijutsu, which was a quick draw attack that was relied on an opponent losing initiative: it was not a sneak attack or surprise attack, but rather an attack the exploited a target's slower reaction time. I believe that Trakata is more based on this notion of iaijutsu than on trying to "trick" the opponent.

In any case, I have some rules for feinting built into form 2, and I may be able to use some other skill (besides con) as the basis for Trakata. I can also see adapting some variation of the quick draw rules or at least looking to them for ideas.

[Naaman]

[CRMcNeill]

[Mamatried]