New Scale System

[CRMcNeill]

If Flitter wasn't an option (and it was used to classify cycle-equivalent vehicles in the Old Republic Sourcebook, which is why I used it), I'd go with Swoop, which is much more "Star Warsy", IMO.
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[Whill]

"Bike" is an in-universe term and obviously doesn't mean bicycle in the Star Wars universe. I wouldn't shy away from it just for that reason.

You reminded me that an actual bicycle did appear in one of my Star Wars adventures. A PC from a primitive planet (with a 1930s Earth tech level) who had been taken as a child and raised by space pirates was temporarily stranded on his homeworld and ended up needing a local vehicle. He blew his roll to repair a old automobile, so he had to ride through town and deal with some antagonists on a bicycle. It was rather humorous.
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Speeder
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[CRMcNeill]

So, this thing never seems to be done...

I'm considering the following changes:

1). As part of my revision of WEG vehicle stats, I'm thinking of renaming "Flitter" to "Swoop". What I have in mind is placing all speeder bikes, swoops and similarly sized vehicles under the skill Swoop Operation, so as to separate cycle-sized vehicles from the larger speeders in both scale and skill.

2). Changing Destroyer from +14D to +12D. This would put all of the larger capital ships at +6D over Starfighters, as they are in the RAW. Frigate-Scale vessels would remain at +10D. My feeling is that Capital Ships like ISDs are hard enough to damage with a +6D scale advantage over starfighters, so there isn't an urgent need to make them even tougher. Plus, it moves Destroyer scale ships further into the threat range for the turbolaser batteries on Frigate-scale heavy cruisers (historically, heavy cruiser main batteries packed enough of a punch to damage battleships if handled properly).

3). Bringing back Dreadnought Scale at +14D or +16D for the monster ships (Executor, Eclipse, Sovereign, etc.). I like the idea because these rare ships are so much larger than ISDs and MC80s. It also would allow me to rewrite their stats down to something manageable (as opposed to the double-digit-D values they have under the RAW). The thing is, these ships are so rare that I'm not sure if it's worth the effort. I mean, how often do your PCs take on SSDs in combat?

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[garhkal]

[CRMcNeill]

[CRMcNeill]

So, up to this point, my scale system has gone through six different variations. Here's #7, addressing the concerns I mentioned above. It should be the last one. We'll see...

Fine -8D (-32)
Minute -6D (-24)
Tiny -4D (-16)
Small -2D (-8)
Character 0D (+0)
Swoop +2D (+8)
Speeder +4D (+16)
Starship +6D (+24)
Walker +8D (+32)
Frigate +10D (+40)
Destroyer +12D (+48)
Dreadnought +16D (+64)
Death Star +24D (+96)

So, the explanations are as follows:

Fine - Objects less than 1 cm in diameter.

Minute - Small hand-held objects, such as comlinks, a deck of cards, data chips or hold-out blasters.

Tiny - Large hand-held objects, such as blaster pistols, data pads, and some tools.

Small - Larger hand-held or carried objects, such as blaster rifles, laptop-type computers or small storage boxes. Also includes living beings much smaller than humans.

Swoop - Flitter just wasn't working for me, so I decided to change this class to Swoop, including Speeder Bikes, Swoops and Repulsor-Sleds, all of which will now use the Swoop Operations skill.

Destroyer - The 4D gap between Frigate and Destroyer wasn't working for me, either. The RAW's +6D split between starfighters and capital ships makes the big ships hard enough to damage as it is, so I decided to move Destroyer back to the RAW's modifier of +12D, putting it 6D above starfighters and 2D above Frigate.

Dreadnought - Because of some other considerations (particularly a House Rule that applied Scale modifiers to the Difficulty of performing Maneuvers, I decided to put Dreadnought-Class back into play for the really big monster ships, like the Executor.

To clarify, here is the revised list of what-goes-where:

Dreadnought:
-Super Star Destroyer

Destroyer:
-Imperial Star Destroyer
-Victory Star Destroyer
-Torpedo Sphere
-Mon Calamari Cruiser

Frigate:
-Dreadnaught-Class Cruiser
-Alliance Assault Cruiser
-Interdictor
-Strike Cruiser
-Escort Carrier
-Carrack Light Cruiser
-Alliance Bulk Carrier
-Star Galleon
-Nebulon B Frigate
-Lancer-Class Frigate
-Corellian Corvette
-Corellian Gunship
-System Patrol Craft
-Assault Shuttle
-Blastboat
-Luxury Liner
-Container Ship
-Bulk Transport
-Medium Transport

Walker:
-AT-AT
-Juggernaut
-Mobile Command Base
-Chariot Command Speeder
-Hoverscout
-Alliance Freerunner
-Heavy Tracker
-Speeder Truck
-Sail Barge

Starship:
-Light Freighters
-Space Barges
-All starfighter types
-Cloud Cars

Speeder:
-AT-ST
-Landspeeders
-Airspeeders
-Compact Assault Vehicle
-ULAV
-Tramp Shuttle
-Skiff

Swoop:
-Speeder Bikes
-Swoops
-Repulsor Sled

EDIT: Added the Dreadnought-Scale class, as discussed on the following page.

EDIT: Added the option of flat scale values, at a rate of 1D=+4

EDIT: Added this rule to the Scale Chart.
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[Whill]

I like it. Thanks!
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[garhkal]

Looks nice...

As a q.. Where would most luxury Yachts come in at?
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I really need to carve out time to reread the thread; I have some first principles questions that you've probably already answered.
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