Will power and force skills.

Random_Axe · Posted: Sat Jan 25, 2014 5:28 pm Post subject:

I actually don't allow "Willpower" as a skill at all. Because to my mind it is completely a duplicate of the "Command" skill. I view the Command skill as both applying to commanding other people and command of yourself. General Rieekan should be considered to have a stronger presence of mind and self-control than Corporal Gumby, so should have a better chance of having stronger resistance to mind-based effects than the other.

Two caveats go with this. One, since Command is already a PER skill, it isn't much of a stretch. Two, the Command skill requires 2x normal CPs to bump or increase. This reflects the dual role that the Command skill fulfills IMC. Not to mention the sheer power of actually pushing around other NPCs just by the force of your personal will, not by a Force effect or a blaster!

That's why I call Command a part of "Will". Thus, raising a 3d+1 Command skill to 3d+2 requires 6 CPs, not 3.

CRMcNeill · Posted: Sat Jan 25, 2014 5:32 pm Post subject:

I think you are reading it wrong. Willpower is internal while Command is external. Willpower, according to the skill description, is the degree of control you have over yourself and only yourself, not others.
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Random_Axe · Posted: Sat Jan 25, 2014 5:39 pm Post subject:

Technically I can agree. But for the sake of simplicity, I said they were the same effect. Because hey! If you want to develop both the Willpower skill AND your Command skill, well, it still amounts to you spending CPs twice.

CRMcNeill · Posted: Sat Jan 25, 2014 5:46 pm Post subject:

You're wrong. Command is entirely about commanding persons other than yourself. The effects you ascribe to it are covered under the Willpower and nothing in their descriptions say otherwise. In fact, the description of Command specifically states that it is to be used only on Gamemaster characters and subordinates, and should never be used on PCs. It makes no mention of the skill being able to command one's self, whereas the Willpower skill explicitly states that that is its purpose.
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Random_Axe · Posted: Sat Jan 25, 2014 7:06 pm Post subject:

CRMcNeill · Posted: Sat Jan 25, 2014 8:32 pm Post subject:

My apologies: that was rather confrontational.
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Lane Arroway · Posted: Thu Feb 27, 2014 12:01 pm Post subject:

With the Force of Will power Jedi are able to use their willpower skill added to their control or perception roll to resist telekinetic or mind bases powers.

IMO, this suggests willpower is related to the inner strength someone could bring to bear if necessary. Perhaps, much in the same way willpower is a backup for a failed stamina roll, it can be used if control or perception fail to resist a force power.
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garhkal · Posted: Thu Feb 27, 2014 3:53 pm Post subject:

But would willpower then be Mapped or would it be a free action?
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CRMcNeill · Posted: Thu Feb 27, 2014 7:05 pm Post subject:

Lane Arroway · Posted: Fri Feb 28, 2014 11:01 am Post subject:

According to the willpower skill, when a character fails a stamina check he gets a chance to roll willpower at one higher difficulty level. It doesn't mention a MAP. In regards to resisting force powers this would be an opposed roll, it's not unreasonable to add a modifier to the attacker's total, such as +5 or +10 to represent the one higher difficulty. At least that's how I see it.

On the flip side, a MAP could accomplish the same goal, IMO.
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garhkal · Posted: Fri Feb 28, 2014 4:05 pm Post subject:

True, the book listing for use of the willpower skill to overcome failing a stamina roll does not specify a MAP< but it can be inferred since using a skill for anything other than resisting an effect is an active choice.
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CRMcNeill · Posted: Fri Feb 28, 2014 4:24 pm Post subject:

DougRed4 · Posted: Fri Feb 28, 2014 6:11 pm Post subject:

Yeah, that's what I'd rule this as (resisting an effect).
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Whill · Posted: Sat Mar 01, 2014 1:45 am Post subject: Willpower

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