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Naaman
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So basically, the bottom line is to make unlearned powers possible at higher than normal difficulty, and after enough success with the power, it gets "properly" learned and can be used at normal difficulty right?
The outstanding question is how many stages of learning are there, and what penalties apply in those stages.
In my opinion +10 seems steep for some powers, and light for others. In particular, I might even offer a bonus or reduction in difficulty for dark side powers that the character doesnt know yet... especially in situations where fear or anger or jealousy etc, are a factor.
Of course, if using unlearned powers is possible, it begs the question of inventing one's own powers, which could be cool, but is off topic for now. |
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| crmcneill wrote: | | Savar wrote: | | I would move the read about to the heard about line |
My problem is that I'm thinking of "heard about" in terms of "I once saw a Jedi do xyz," so that the character understands that such a thing is theoretically possible, but is light on the details. Being verbally given a detailed description of what a power can do would fall under the scope of having read about it in a Jedi/Sith tome, IMO.
| Quote: | | Then add one more for a power used but not mastered = +3 |
That works, although at this point, it is starting to get a little more complex than I had originally envisioned... |
Big issue i see there, is how can a jedi 'see or know' what other power another force user USED, unless it has obvious outward signs? If i use enhanced coordination, concentration and the like where its not noticeable that i am using the force, how then can someone say "I saw this power used">
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| garhkal wrote: | | Big issue i see there, is how can a jedi 'see or know' what other power another force user USED, unless it has obvious outward signs? If i use enhanced coordination, concentration and the like where its not noticeable that i am using the force, how then can someone say "I saw this power used"> |
If you are talking about a third person description by a non-FS, I can see your point. However, there are other powers that have a visible effect, which is information that can be relayed to others. Telekinesis is an obvious example.
If it is the FS himself doing the observing, it's important to note that he will likely be able to get a general sense of the Force power being used through the Force itself.
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garhkal
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But wouldn't that necessitate he is taking an action to USE the force to get that sense of what is being used (Sense force)?
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It depends on your personal preference as a GM. As a FS there will always be a passive level of force use. It's not something they can turn off like a light switch. If anything a FS consciously not using the force would be like a mundane closing their eyes or plugging their ears. The sense is heavily muted, but still there. While they will not KNOW what the other character is doing with the force, they would still feel a movement in the force. Detail would depend on the individual.
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No knowledge +14 blind attempt 4D
descriptive knowledge +10 someone/thing described the power 3D
personal observation +7 you have witnessed its use 2D
have used the power +3 but you have not mastered it 1D
If you have used their power 5 times you now know it and do not have these penalties.
Some of the categories are subjective depending on the game and GM. |
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CRMcNeill
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| garhkal wrote: | | But wouldn't that necessitate he is taking an action to USE the force to get that sense of what is being used (Sense force)? |
The rules already make provision for free actions that require a roll, but do not incur a MAP since they are not a standard action. I fail to see why a FS couldn't do the same by simply being in the presence of a Force power when it is activated.
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| Savar wrote: | | If you have used their power 5 times you now know it and do not have these penalties. |
I would suggest instead that you begin the power at the base difficulty modifier, which is then reduced by 1 every time you use it. Once the modifier is reduced to 0, you now know the power and may use it without penalties.
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garhkal
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| crmcneill wrote: | | garhkal wrote: | | But wouldn't that necessitate he is taking an action to USE the force to get that sense of what is being used (Sense force)? |
The rules already make provision for free actions that require a roll, but do not incur a MAP since they are not a standard action. I fail to see why a FS couldn't do the same by simply being in the presence of a Force power when it is activated. |
Most of those actions that allow a roll with NO maps though are those to RESIST stuff (or move in easy and very easy terrain at slow speed).
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So by that standard, a person who wanted to hear a door opening or closing quietly would have to make a conscious decision to listen for it, plus take the MAP for rolling Perception? Sorry, but that's silly. AFAIAC, some things happen automatically, and perceiving what goes on within the scope of your senses is one of them. If a character's senses happen to include the Force, and they are close enough, they get an automatic free Sense roll to determine the details.
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| crmcneill wrote: | | So by that standard, a person who wanted to hear a door opening or closing quietly would have to make a conscious decision to listen for it, plus take the MAP for rolling Perception? Sorry, but that's silly. AFAIAC, some things happen automatically, and perceiving what goes on within the scope of your senses is one of them. If a character's senses happen to include the Force, and they are close enough, they get an automatic free Sense roll to determine the details. |
I agree, however in stress and concentration, you might not notice what your senses are telling you.
So in combat it might make sense for a MAP as one is having to spread attention.
It is a matter of personal view point. |
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| Savar wrote: | | I agree, however in stress and concentration, you might not notice what your senses are telling you. |
In that case, I would allow the same free Sense roll, just at a higher difficulty. If you don't beat the difficulty, you don't sense the details of the disturbance in the Force, but neither does it distract you from what you were already doing. Therefore, no MAP.
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SO they would only get Mapped if they succeeded?
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| garhkal wrote: | | SO they would only get Mapped if they succeeded? |
Why would they need to get MAPed at all? They made a free action roll at increased difficulty; penalizing them for it is silly.
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| crmcneill wrote: | | Savar wrote: | | I agree, however in stress and concentration, you might not notice what your senses are telling you. |
In that case, I would allow the same free Sense roll, just at a higher difficulty. If you don't beat the difficulty, you don't sense the details of the disturbance in the Force, but neither does it distract you from what you were already doing. Therefore, no MAP. |
I can go for that. |
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