Geting rid of spending Character Points on rolls

[Quetzacotl]

[garhkal]

[Quetzacotl]

Just to avoid the confusion:
The game i'm always talking about is actually "TDE - The Dark Eye". I translated it on my own, thats why I always though its "The Black Eye". But, as it turns out, the official translation is a little different ^^

[Leon The Lion]

'Key, we've drifted way off topic here. Not that I mind, really. It's completely natural for conversations.

Anyway, the main subject is complete I guess. I got some opinions and advice - some of which I even agreed with and will use - and decided on a beta shape for the house rule.

We can by all means use the rest of the thread to continue to b**** about D&D.
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[Quetzacotl]

Care to elaborate what exactly you're gonna use now? (or whenever you got the details right ^^)

[Leon The Lion]

Once more with feeling:

Character Points can no longer be spent for additional dice to augment rolls. Instead, characters now have the Luck "skill", which works thus:

1. Each die in the Luck skill gives a character one Luck Point;
2. Luck Points can be spent on boosting rolls exactly like CPs are now (and maybe on other things, should we come up with any, like Nico_Davout's proposition of a bonus action);
3. Luck Points reset to skill value at the end of each adventure, when CPs are awarded;
4. The entire function of the Luck skill is to provide Luck Points, it is not actually rolled for anything;
5. The starting skill level of Luck is 6D, just like, and instead of, the number of CPs beginning characters get now;
6. Luck has to be advanced like any other skill, one pip at a time;
7. However only a full die provides an actual Luck Point - just like with CPs, you cannot divide the bonus die they provide into pips to be used separately, so pips in the skill don't count;
8. The CP cost of increasing the Luck skill is double the number of dice per pip, like with Advanced Skills;
9. The Luck skill is currently disconnected from any attribute, but may be tied into the Force attribute should I ever implement it.

Playtesting will help determine if the 6D starting level for Luck is too much, and weather the CP cost of rising it is too high for anyone to ever bother. I could see starting it at 5D, or even 4D, but having it cost like a normal skill to increase. We'll see.
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[Quetzacotl]

Thanks, sounds good.

[atgxtg]

[Leon The Lion]

Eh, no worries. Like I said, I don't mind. Conversations evolve. At the least I was a willing accomplice, so I've got no room to complain.

And it will be some time before I can test this. Game is currently on hiastus following one of the players moving out of the country and generally re-arrangeing her life. We're hopeing to continue playing over Skype, but it'll take some time.

Also, I may not necessarily test it in Star Wars. Generally, nowadays I consider house rules threads for utility not only for SW D6, but for the D6 system in general, as it is, or at least I want it to be, my go-to universal system for all gaming. It's just the best I've found to date, and I find it very user-friendly, easy to teach and learn, and easy to mod and create new content for. I already used it to run a Neon Exodus Evangelion game (in a very simplified form, as the solo game was more of an interactive story than traditional RPG), and am now planning to use it for a Secret of Zir'An conversion and game.
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[atgxtg]

Just thinking...
What if the players got to decide if they wanted die roll adjusting CPs , or character improving Cps (say XPs) when they are awarded? For example a PC who earns 5 points, could take 3 CPs and 2XPs (or any other mix up to 5 points total).

The GM might even decide to award a set number of die adjusting CPs per adventure, or even award both CPs and Xps.

That way you could eliminate the penalty to character improvement by spending Cps, without making any serious changes to the rules. You are really just subdividing CPS into two different types of points based on their function.

[garhkal]

That might work.. Or just halve the awards.. half are xp, half are cp.
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[atgxtg]

[Draven]

Leon I think your rules might work for you problem. They seem rather solid to me and seems to fit the system. If I run into this problem I think I will use those rules as well.



Now for the D&D bashing lol.
Well not really bashing but why it became what players expect. At least where I am from D&D and what followed d20 became the norm for most games. A they were high fantasy games at that. But the system was easy to min. max. as they call it. So it appealed to players that wanted to play characters that were very powerful. It also seems to be the easiest most successful of the generic systems. Thus it spawned a lot of other games using the same system. I can not even name the list of games that fall under d20 and open 20

[Leon The Lion]

I'll allow myself to rise this from the depths, to give an update on how the idea is working out and additional tweaks I've made. Maybe it'll be usefull to somebody.

The rules I'm currently using in my game, and which seem to work quite well for me:

Luck:
Character Points may no longer be spent for additional dice to augment rolls. Their sole function is character advancement;
Instead, characters now have the Luck "skill";
Luck is currently disconnected from any attribute, but may be tied into a Force attribute should I ever implement it;
The starting level of Luck is 5D, recieved instead of the 5 CPs beginning characters get by RAW;
Each pip in Luck gives a character one Luck Point (so each full D provides 3 Luck Points);
The entire function of Luck is to provide Luck Points, it is not actually rolled for anything;
Luck Points (LP) can be spent on augmenting attribute and skill rolls, after seeing the result of the roll, in the following ways:
1. Each LP spent adds 1 to the result of the roll;
2. Alternatively, 3 LP may be spent to add +1D to the result of the roll, but the result of the die must be accepted, even if it comes up lower than 3;
3. 3 LP may be spent when a "1" is rolled on the Wild Die to cancel any Mishap, weather Penalty or Complication, that would result;
The three uses of LP may be freely combined in one roll, in any configuration;
The maximum number of LP that may be spent on one roll is 15 for dodges, parries, and resisting Force powers, 6 otherwise;
Luck Points reset to Luck value at the end of each adventure, when CPs are awarded;
When using RAW character creation (which I don't, btw), Luck should be treated like a normal skill in all respects and may be increased as one;
After character creation, the per pip CP cost of increasing Luck is equal to double the current number of full dice in it, like with RAW Advanced Skills;
Luck has no maximum value, as long as a character pays for it, thay may increase its die code further;

Bad Luck:
A character is allowed to spend more Luck Points than he has, going into debt;
Such negative LP should be recorded as Bad Luck;
Bad Luck first comes into play in the next adventure after the one it was earned in - record all Bad Luck gained in the current adventure separately from any earlier total;
The Game Master may force a character to spend their Bad Luck Points (BLP) on degrading attribute and skill rolls, in the following ways:
1. Each BLP spent subtracts 1 from the result of the roll;
2. 3 LP may be spent when a "6" is rolled on the Wild Die to cancel the bonus die that would result;
3. 1 BLP may be spent to simply cancel one LP spent on the same roll;
The three uses of BLP may be freely combined in one roll, in any configuration;
The maximum number of BLP that a character may be forced to spend on one roll is 6 for dodges, parries, resisting Force powers, and resisting damage, 15 otherwise;
A Luck Point cancelled by a Bad Luck Point still counts as spent on the roll, normal LP spending maximums still apply;
A character may at any time spend Luck Points to cancel his Bad Luck Points, on a one-to-one basis;
Once spent or cancelled, Bad Luck Points are gone untill new ones are earned;

That's it, I believe.
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