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Naaman
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I like both bren's and crmcniel's method.
And, for the record, I wasnrt really all that serious about the original post; I was posting more as a "wink-wink" to my fellow rp-ers because the first thing I thought when I saw it was "what about the scale difference," as I'm sure many others of us would have, also. |
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Bren
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| It was a good and funny post. And it is a topic that comes up in play. First time for us was a Walker vs Jedi confrontation which was in part inspired by the Walker vs Luke Skywalker confrontation in one of the comics. |
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CRMcNeill
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Specifically, that was the first issue of Dark Empire, where Luke took out an AT-AT using this technique.
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Kira Firestorm
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Hmmm wonder if i can swing this past my dm now...
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garhkal
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| crmcneill wrote: | | Specifically, that was the first issue of Dark Empire, where Luke took out an AT-AT using this technique. |
I have had 2 pcs in games i played at home (and 4 at cons) ask about that.. I defaulted to a council member on the table for the con games who like me for my 2 home game situations at the time said No.. but it is something we could get back to...
Still never made up my mind or rules..
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Bren
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| garhkal wrote: | | crmcneill wrote: | | Specifically, that was the first issue of Dark Empire, where Luke took out an AT-AT using this technique. |
I have had 2 pcs in games i played at home (and 4 at cons) ask about that.. I defaulted to a council member on the table for the con games who like me for my 2 home game situations at the time said No.. but it is something we could get back to...
Still never made up my mind or rules.. |
Why would you not want a PC to have a chance* to do this? It just seems so over the top cool and iconic.
* Not necessarily a good chance and for beginning Jedi basically no chance, but for a somewhat experienced Jedi - when using a FP - some chance seems in order. |
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CRMcNeill
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| Bren wrote: | | * Not necessarily a good chance and for beginning Jedi basically no chance, but for a somewhat experienced Jedi - when using a FP - some chance seems in order. |
Exactly. Just because a thing is possible does not mean that it must also be probable. Just make it very difficult, so that only high-end Jedi (or Jedi who spend a FP on the act) have a chance of pulling it off.
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garhkal
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| Bren wrote: | | garhkal wrote: | | crmcneill wrote: | | Specifically, that was the first issue of Dark Empire, where Luke took out an AT-AT using this technique. |
I have had 2 pcs in games i played at home (and 4 at cons) ask about that.. I defaulted to a council member on the table for the con games who like me for my 2 home game situations at the time said No.. but it is something we could get back to...
Still never made up my mind or rules.. |
Why would you not want a PC to have a chance* to do this? It just seems so over the top cool and iconic.
* Not necessarily a good chance and for beginning Jedi basically no chance, but for a somewhat experienced Jedi - when using a FP - some chance seems in order. |
From reading various novels and such it seems that walker (especially atats) and fighter shots are LARGE.. on the region of at least a meter diameter.. I just do not see a Light saber being able to block something that is much bigger than it.
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CRMcNeill
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Where are you getting that? I've most likely read the same novels, and while I agree that Walker and Starfighter laser weaponry likely has a larger diameter discharge than something character scale, one meter seems like a bit much.
The physics of the thing aside, it succeeds in two other categories: the rule of cool and the official rule. Specifically, it happens in the EU, and it looks really cool when it does. That doesn't mean it has to be easy to do, just that it is ultimately possible. Using the scale modifier as a penalty works well for me because the larger a weapon is, the more difficult it is to successfully parry.
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Bren
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The bolts don't look that wide to me.
Perhaps you are thinking of the blast diameter when the bolt hits? |
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Fallon Kell
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| Bren wrote: | The bolts don't look that wide to me.
Perhaps you are thinking of the blast diameter when the bolt hits? |
Also worth noting is that the muzzle bore diameter of an X-wing's laser cannons looks like it's only a couple centimeters when it's landed on Dagobah.
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garhkal
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| crmcneill wrote: | | Where are you getting that? I've most likely read the same novels, and while I agree that Walker and Starfighter laser weaponry likely has a larger diameter discharge than something character scale, one meter seems like a bit much.. |
Perhaps 6" is more appropriate but still, a LS is what 3" at most?
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CRMcNeill
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Well, once my next-door neighbor gets home in his X-Wing, I will run out there with a tape measure to get an exact measurement. Until then, the only rule of thumb that I have is that it actually occurs in the EU. Therefore, whatever diameter the beam may be, it is possible for a lightsaber to parry it (albeit at a greatly increased difficulty).
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garhkal
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So by your logic it should be technically feasable for a powerful enough jedi to use a 2 inch beam (the lightsaber) to parry a cap ship turbolaser shot?:
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CRMcNeill
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If he can beat the basic difficulty of parrying the shot, plus 12D for the scale difference, then yes.
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