Force Skills

[Bren]

[vanir]

still, you don't think you're opening the door on almost unlimited powers accumulation by allowing the 7D skill die into Force abilities?
Being that, during character creation Players may freely select Force powers per pip of standing skill rating?

[Bren]

[garhkal]

[vanir]

yeh garkhal that's the theory, but we all know as GM it doesn't really go that way in practise. Players want their benefits if they can squeeze them and they're surprisingly intuitive about taking advantage of any rope you use to hang yourself with.

you've a character creation phase
and a gameplay beginning
but the RAW for character creation is 1 power per pip of skill.

then we have the issue of extrapolation by example with WEG in the Force abilities clearly regarded as attributes during character creation in published material, then as we know treated as regular skills during gameplay.

There's a very simple explanation, I took to it right off.

[garhkal]

I just scoured the book, the only place i see it mention 1 power per pip is

[Bren]

The minimum Force skill is 1D. There are no Control 0D+1 or Sense 0D+2 skills. So it makes sense that you get one power for the first 1D in a Force Skill and then since the skill increases 1 pip at a time from then on, you get 1 power per pip.

That allocation of force powers is consistent with my reading of the RAW in version 2E and 2E R&E.

[ZzaphodD]

I came up with the idea that force powers cost the same number of 'pips' as the number of force skills it was based on..
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My Biggest Beard Retard award goes to: The Admiral of course..

[Bren]

[garhkal]

[vanir]

I got a real simple system.

You can write up your own character background. Effectively the heroic attributes of PCs gives them a character background and Force abilities is no exception.

You can pick your powers up to 1 per pip in abilities including multiple requirements. This you can explain in your personally customised character background.
Up to you. It's fun. And c'mon let's be fair here, this is RPG for fun, equipping a starting Jedi like this is just like a soldier equipping himself with nice weapons and armour. It's mandatory to get your Players interested.

But the governing restriction is Force skills are considered attributes during character creation, implied by the WEG material supporting the contention and no evidence to the contrary besides individual interpretations of scant RAW.
But in Tales of the Jedi, the only place it is displayed one way or another, the rule is higher die in Force skills during character creation come from the base attributes pool and not bonus skill die.
In any case after character creation, in which Force abilities are limited by assigned attribute die, during gameplay they become skills for advancement, but individual powers now require tutors or sidequests regardless of CP spent. New disciplines are learned as described by RAW.

It sounds like I'm giving them tremendous freedom, but in reality I'm governing them.

All seems perfectly simple to me. I didn't even explain to our group, we all independently assumed this after doing an Old Republic campaign using that sourcebook a few years ago.

We've always done that, as new sourcebooks give us new ideas or extrapolate easily misunderstood RAW, we adopt them in stride.

[Bren]

[vanir]

Bren they only conflict if you presume how you've described things rather than how I have. If we are to presume how I've described things nothing is in conflict at all.

Don't you find that just a little bit strange?

[Bren]

[Fallon Kell]