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Bren
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ZzaphodD and Fallon Kell, apparently both of you have accurate memories. From page 241 of the SWRPG 2E RAE:
AT-ST twin light blaster cannon 2D walker scale damage
AT-ST grenade launcher 3D walker scale damage |
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Grimace
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| Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2011 1:35 am Post subject: |
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| atgxtg wrote: |
I think I prefer the other scaling system. I've been learning towards using a fixed Scale Number ala D6 Space.
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You'd be better served using the static modifier version of scales in the D6 Space book than using 2nd R&E. The problem R&E created was that, with a high enough die roll, a Character scale weapon could damage a Capital scale ship (or worse, a Death Star scale item). That just doesn't happen with the 2nd edition Die Cap method.
I guess if you're really worried that a starfighter pilot couldn't beat the range difficulty (and if the GM has half a brain, they can decrease the difficulty level for enormously sized objects that aren't dodging) then the Die Cap method might be a little off kilter as far as hitting larger items that don't dodge. But really, the rare time that actually comes into play is probably going to be a lot less than the amount of times when something noticably smaller damages something much larger in R&E.
With my modified scale system I created for D6, I created a combination usage of the D6 core books method (static modifier for scale) and the 2nd edition method (die caps for scale). So I can appreciate the simplicity of the static modifier value, but it does still leave the door open just a bit for noticably smaller items still damaging much larger items. Other than that, it's a marked improvement over the 2nd R&E method (bonus dice for scale). |
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Fallon Kell
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| Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2011 1:53 am Post subject: |
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| Bren wrote: | ZzaphodD and Fallon Kell, apparently both of you have accurate memories. From page 241 of the SWRPG 2E RAE:
AT-ST twin light blaster cannon 2D walker scale damage
AT-ST grenade launcher 3D walker scale damage |
I had a traumatic experience involving that worthless grenade launcher once. I doubt I'll be able to scrub it from my mind.
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Bren
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| Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2011 2:06 am Post subject: |
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| Grimace wrote: | | I guess if you're really worried that a starfighter pilot couldn't beat the range difficulty... |
Or just use the Modifier Guidelines on page 77 of the SWRPG 2RE.
+1-5 .......... Character has only a slight advantage (Shooting at an object one scale larger)
+6-10 ........ Character has a good advantage (shooting at an object 2 scales larger)
+11-15 ...... Character has a decisive advantage (shooting at an object 3 scales larger)
+16+ ......... Character has an overpowering advantage (shooting at an object that is 3 or more scales larger and is unmoving)
The text in () is my guesstimate of a possible bonus. Though I might argue that starfighters in motion are not necessarily easier to hit than slower moving but possibly smaller or lower scale objects. |
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atgxtg
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| Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 11:46 am Post subject: |
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| Grimace wrote: |
You'd be better served using the static modifier version of scales in the D6 Space book than using 2nd R&E. The problem R&E created was that, with a high enough die roll, a Character scale weapon could damage a Capital scale ship (or worse, a Death Star scale item). That just doesn't happen with the 2nd edition Die Cap method. |
I'm less concerned about a character scale weapon taking out a capital scale ship that I am about a character scale weapon taking out a Walker scale vehicle. While the form is statistically possible, the scaling modifier making it a non-occurrence, lightsaber combat excepted. On the other hand, taking out an AT-AT with a holdout blaster is far more likely-and probably just as silly.
I think I like the fixed scale numbers from D6 Space better because the fixed values make the silly results even less likely to occur, AND the scale number gets rid of the "veicle classes". A good many problems with scaling are due to the fact that speeder bikes and repulsorlift-tanks are in the same "scale".
I wouldn't mind a multiplier system like they use in some D6 games, either. But that would probably kick up the starships too much. Although realistically, I doubt anyone could take a hit from a TIE fighter. It would probably be analogous to being shot by a 25mm autocannon. |
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