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ForbinProject
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| Error wrote: | I do like the idea of a 5 km-ish craft meant to command 3-7 other capital ships, perhaps including one Nebulon-B, 3 ISD's, and an interdictor cruiser as the standard config.
And art exists for something similar that was never used? Even better!
Any ship designers paying attention? |
Strident-class Star Defender 6,250m or 6.25 km
Mon Calamari Super Star Cruiser 7,500m or 7.5 km
Trade Federation Battleship 3,170m or 3.170 km
Inexpungable-class tactical command ship 3,100m or 3.1 km
Invincible-class Dreadnaught Cruiser 2,011m or 2.011 km
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| Error wrote: | I vote we let garhkal have a 30-foot Executor if he likes. He has stuck to his guns now so long on this that I don't see his mind changing.
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Y'all talk command decks. I'm thinking the horrors of the crew quarters.
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| MrNexx wrote: | | Error wrote: | I vote we let garhkal have a 30-foot Executor if he likes. He has stuck to his guns now so long on this that I don't see his mind changing.
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Y'all talk command decks. I'm thinking the horrors of the crew quarters. |
The crew quarters? What about the refreshers? There are few things more horrifying than the idea of having to share a refresher with an entire legion of stormtroopers all needing to go to the bathroom at once. 
As for gharkhal not wanting to believe that the Executor is 11+ times longer than an ISD, all he has to do is look at this picture:
That's straight out of RotJ, when the Tydirium with Luke and co. are trying to get past the shield. With those two ISDs right next to the Executor, one just before the Super Star Destroyer and another just beyond it, it's plain for everyone to see that the Executor dwarfs the ISDs. The Executor is way bigger than just 5 times the length of an ISD.
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| ForbinProject wrote: | | Error wrote: | I do like the idea of a 5 km-ish craft meant to command 3-7 other capital ships, perhaps including one Nebulon-B, 3 ISD's, and an interdictor cruiser as the standard config.
And art exists for something similar that was never used? Even better!
Any ship designers paying attention? |
Strident-class Star Defender 6,250m or 6.25 km
Mon Calamari Super Star Cruiser 7,500m or 7.5 km
Trade Federation Battleship 3,170m or 3.170 km
Inexpungable-class tactical command ship 3,100m or 3.1 km
Invincible-class Dreadnaught Cruiser 2,011m or 2.011 km
http://d6holocron.com/wiki/index.php?title=Capital_Ships |
Yes, but can you say any of those carry on the "Star Destroyer" lineage? I imagine a craft of small Imperial sector fleets which is posed between the 1.6 km ISD and the Executor-class ships. "Between" in every sense: size (5-8 km), appearance (the deep-set arrow of all Imperial star destroyers), capability, armament, crew, complement (fighters and other craft), function, frequency, and naval order. They would tend command duties of up to 15 other craft; early in their existence I see them accompanied by Venator and Dreadnaught class ships. I see them as existing 12-2 BBY when they are scrapped and recycled to construct the more modern and more statement-making Executor-class craft.
I am adding them as Blackguard-class craft in my roleplaying SWU.
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Ansel Hsiao's Bellator-Class Star Dreadnought has been stated to be 8km in length. I suggest using the Executor's WEG stats for the Bellator, then using the Shipyard's above linked stats for the 19km long Executor.
Here's a link to a Bellator in profile with an Imperial.
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| CRMcNeill wrote: | Ansel Hsiao's Bellator-Class Star Dreadnought has been stated to be 8km in length. I suggest using the Executor's WEG stats for the Bellator, then using the Shipyard's above linked stats for the 19km long Executor.
Here's a link to a Bellator in profile with an Imperial. |
Or just use the Super-class stats from the Shipyard for the Bellator as those should be the same stats as the WEG Executor stats, as well as get the 19km Executor stats from the Shipyard. More efficient to get the two different stats from the same place. 8)
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| Error wrote: | | Yes, but can you say any of those carry on the "Star Destroyer" lineage? |
Yes I can, because the pictures of the ships can be found with the ship stats at the link I provided you. |
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| garhkal wrote: | | And as of 12 years ago someone decided to change it cause of what HE thought it should be... |
| garhkal wrote: | | Maybe I don't believe that for 12+ years we had a mistake.. And the NEW figure is that is the mistake. |
| Error wrote: | | I vote we let garhkal have a 30-foot Executor if he likes. |
Like I said on Page 1 of this thread, of course he can have his Executor be whatever length he wants in his universe. No one here was suggesting he couldn't. There is a difference between saying he is choosing 8 km for his own SWU because he likes the existing star destroyer stats as is, and saying the guy who first challenged the 8 km length based on empirical evidence made the mistake so we are all wrong for going with the evidence.
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| Whill wrote: | | There is a difference between saying [garkhal] is choosing 8 km for his own SWU because he likes the existing star destroyer stats as is, and saying the guy who first challenged the 8 km length based on empirical evidence made the mistake so we are all wrong for going with the evidence. |
This. One thousand times, this. Whenever a guy tries to tell you that you're wrong to go with the evidence, you know he either doesn't know what he's talking about or he's being deliberately dishonest and trying to BS you. As a lawyer and a politics junkie, I've seen this sort of thing often enough.
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garhkal, do you own TESB and RotJ movies in any form? Have you watched them at all in the past 30 years?
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Since they are still on VHS, i would say its been almost 9 years since i watched them. And even in the ESB scenes, i could see a 6-7x disparrity in size. Which to MY perception is closer to the WEG extablished 8k, than the 19.2k.
| Quote: | | That's straight out of RotJ, when the Tydirium with Luke and co. are trying to get past the shield. With those two ISDs right next to the Executor, one just before the Super Star Destroyer and another just beyond it, it's plain for everyone to see that the Executor dwarfs the ISDs. The Executor is way bigger than just 5 times the length of an ISD. |
Using my thumb which covers that rear most ISD, i can then put the thumb just under 7 full times over the SSD.. For the isd in the gap between the 2 down wings on the Tyderium, its just over 8.5 times.
BOTH seem closer to the extablished Weg stat's length, than the 19.2k of the latter 'eratta'..
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| Sutehp wrote: | | Or just use the Super-class stats from the Shipyard for the Bellator as those should be the same stats as the WEG Executor stats, as well as get the 19km Executor stats from the Shipyard. More efficient to get the two different stats from the same place. 8) |
The Shipyard's Super-Class stats are essentially identical to the WEG stats posted for the same ship, so either way.
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Photographic analysis performed by the guys who consulted on the Incredible Cross-Sections books...
vs. garhkal's thumb.
Sounds legit.
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| garhkal wrote: | | Whill wrote: |
garhkal, do you own TESB and RotJ movies in any form? Have you watched them at all in the past 30 years?
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Since they are still on VHS, i would say its been almost 9 years since i watched them. And even in the ESB scenes, i could see a 6-7x disparrity in size. Which to MY perception is closer to the WEG extablished 8k, than the 19.2k.
| Quote: | | That's straight out of RotJ, when the Tydirium with Luke and co. are trying to get past the shield. With those two ISDs right next to the Executor, one just before the Super Star Destroyer and another just beyond it, it's plain for everyone to see that the Executor dwarfs the ISDs. The Executor is way bigger than just 5 times the length of an ISD. |
Using my thumb which covers that rear most ISD, i can then put the thumb just under 7 full times over the SSD.. For the isd in the gap between the 2 down wings on the Tyderium, its just over 8.5 times.
BOTH seem closer to the extablished Weg stat's length, than the 19.2k of the latter 'eratta'.. |
Well, I just put a post-it note on my screen, marked the length of the farther ISD on it and proceeded to measure the length of the Executor that way and came to roughly 11 times the length of the ISD. 1.6km x 9.75 = 15.6 km, which is way closer to 19km than 8km. I think you forgot to take into account that an ISD is 1.6 km (i.e. 1 mile) long, not 1km. And if your thumb measurements led you to believe that the farther ISD is somehow bigger than the closer one in the foreground, then you definitely miscalculated. 
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Sutehp, it's important to understand that garhkal's objective here is less about an unbiased analysis of the facts than it is about stubbornly resisting any and all attempts to deviate from the Gospel according to WEG.
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