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Yora
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To me, Delta class will always be the grey box full of stormtroopers. 
I don't know where it came from, but I frequently mistakenly call Sentinel transports Sigma shuttle. Somehow that got stuck in my head ages ago.
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| Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2020 6:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Yora wrote: | | To me, Delta class will always be the grey box full of stormtroopers. |
The EU abused and reused "Delta" almost as much as they did "cruiser". I'm okay with it being locked in as the Krennick VIP Shuttle.
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Yora
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| Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2020 6:26 pm Post subject: |
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| CRMcNeill wrote: | | The EU abused and reused "Delta" almost as much as they did "cruiser". |
Ouch! That hits right where it hurts. Too close to home. 
Carrack light cruiser, Strike medium cruiser, and Dreadnaught heavy cruiser all make sense.
Quasar Fire bulk cruiser makes no sense for a fleet carrier. Or really anything.
The new popular darling of the Gozanti assault cruiser doesn't even qualify as a corvette.
And Consular cruiser for an unarmed passenger ship is just sad.
But in moments like that, I remember and feel grateful that Han and Lando call Star Destroyers cruisers, and not destroyers. 
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CRMcNeill
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The Citadel was bad (although tbf, that one was WotC’s fault), but the worst are where they applied it to a pair of heavy fighters (see the Red Lancer and Blue Queen on pgs. 63-64 of GG9).
I’ve quipped elsewhere that WEG would’ve called a dishwasher a cruiser if it had occurred to them.
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| CRMcNeill wrote: | | Yet more shoddy continuity control from Disney. |
True, but it's Lucasfilm, not just Disney. It's the same department that handled it before Disney. Story Group is just what they named it in 2013.
| CRMcNeill wrote: | Just came across an interesting contradiction...
The Eta-Class has been used twice in the canon, once for the Eta-Class Light Shuttle from Clone Wars, and again for the Eta-Class Cargo Barge from Rogue One.
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Seeing as how the Light Shuttle was introduced before the Cargo Barge, I'm thinking the Cargo Barge needs to be renamed. Thoughts? |
I completely disagree. Rogue One is more recent, and Rogue One is a good live action film vs an often silly cartoon. The Rogue One ship should keep its name.
Also, do you even have stats for TCW ship? Can't TCW ship just be ignored? If you have statted TCW ship, the two ships are from two different eras. TCW ship hasn't even appeared in the classic era, so couldn't that ship have been retired and the class name reused for a different ship?
I think TCW ship doesn't even look cool, but if you must have it in the classic era, then we are talking a Republic designation vs. an Empire designation. The Empire easily could have renamed the Republic ship. It is technically a different government after all.
| CRMcNeill wrote: | | I’ve quipped elsewhere that WEG would’ve called a dishwasher a cruiser if it had occurred to them. |
Oh, I am so putting a dishwasher model named Cruiser in in my game somehow. Maybe even call it a Cruiser-class dishwasher. 
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CRMcNeill
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| Whill wrote: | Can't TCW ship just be ignored? If you have statted TCW ship, the two ships are from two different eras. TCW ship hasn't even appeared in the classic era, so couldn't that ship have been retired and the class name reused for a different ship?
I think TCW ship doesn't even look cool, but if you must have it in the classic era, then we are talking a Republic designation vs. an Empire designation. The Empire easily could have renamed the Republic ship. It is technically a different government after all. |
The thing is, the ships from TCW are one of the only things I like about the series, since so many of them can be ported over into service with the Alliance. Assuming a lot of the non-combat stuff (like a light shuttle) got surplused out to the civilian market after the Clone Wars, a goofy-looking shuttle like this can make a handy infiltration platform if they don't have (or can't bring) their regular ship.
With that bulbous front end, I'm thinking Omicron or Phi would be a decent fit.
| Quote: | | Oh, I am so putting a dishwasher model named Cruiser in in my game somehow. Maybe even call it a Cruiser-class dishwasher. |
I now feel strangely inspired to write stats for a Dishwasher-Class Light Cruiser, just to really thumb my nose at the universe.
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| Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2020 10:04 pm Post subject: |
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"Look out! It's a Cruiser-class Dish-stroyer!"
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| CRMcNeill wrote: | | Whill wrote: | | I think TCW ship doesn't even look cool, but if you must have it in the classic era, then we are talking a Republic designation vs. an Empire designation. The Empire easily could have renamed the Republic ship. It is technically a different government after all. |
The thing is, the ships from TCW are one of the only things I like about the series, since so many of them can be ported over into service with the Alliance. Assuming a lot of the non-combat stuff (like a light shuttle) got surplused out to the civilian market after the Clone Wars, a goofy-looking shuttle like this can make a handy infiltration platform if they don't have (or can't bring) their regular ship.
With that bulbous front end, I'm thinking Omicron or Phi would be a decent fit. |
True. I did a google image search and it seems to be able to fly in multiple wing configurations and the wings fold up when it lands. In all configurations, it has that middle fin straight up, so I think Phi is the better designation of the two.
I do like the look of Palpatine's version a bit better.
It occurs to me that you will eventually run out of letters. Do you think that maybe you could do two-letter designations for some ships? That way, for the duplicates you could just add a second letter to one of them, like Phi-Eta-class, or Eta-Phi-class? It resolves the contradiction and preserves the original name as a component of the new name.
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CRMcNeill
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| Whill wrote: | | It occurs to me that you will eventually run out of letters. Do you think that maybe you could do two-letter designations for some ships? That way, for the duplicates you could just add a second letter to one of them, like Phi-Eta-class, or Eta-Phi-class? It resolves the contradiction and preserves the original name as a component of the new name. |
Running out of Greek letters will be a concern at some point, but I prefer to cross that bridge when I come to it. I've already done some consolidation (such as folding the Mu-2 Scout Shuttle and the Delta-Class Escort Shuttle into the Lambda-Class as sub-variants).
Frankly, I'd throw out the Upsilon and Xi Classes from the DT before I started doubling up on letters.
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Scots Dragon
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I'm gonna at least go to bat to defend the Eta-class as being unused concept art for the shuttle that became the Lambda-class.
The two ships are also from different manufacturers, so the use of Greek letters is probably disambiguated by calling one a Telgorn Eta and the other one a Cygnus Eta. |
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| Scots Dragon wrote: | | I'm gonna at least go to bat to defend the Eta-class as being unused concept art for the shuttle that became the Lambda-class. |
I do recall seeing that in the RotJ Art Book. There were quite a few good ideas there, including some that I've repurposed for my own stats.
| Quote: | | The two ships are also from different manufacturers, so the use of Greek letters is probably disambiguated by calling one a Telgorn Eta and the other one a Cygnus Eta. |
The other option would be to simply say that Clone Wars-era designations have mostly been retired from military service, such that there will be different classes of ships under the same name still in service, except that one is in active military service while the other is mostly retired and found only in civilian service. A modern example would be something like the Globemaster series of Aircraft - the Douglas C-74 Globemaster, the Douglas C-124 Globemaster II and the modern Boeing C-17 Globemaster III - three generations of heavy lift cargo aircraft. Another example is the reuse of fighter designations, like Thunderbolt, with the WW2-Era P-47 Thunderbolt and the more modern Fairchild A-10 Thunderbolt II.
The problem is that the reuse of names stays within the same class. If this held true in the SWU, the prequel-era Theta-Class Shuttle used by Palpatine in RotS would be a Lambda I-Class while the RotJ Shuttle would be a Lambda II, the Kappa-Class Troop Shuttle from Rules of Engagement would be a Kappa I while the Sentinel Landing Craft would be a Kappa II, and so on and so forth.
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Coming back around to this, I’m thinking the Eta-Class Cargo Barge looks more like an Epsilon or a Pi. Of the two, I prefer Epsilon…
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Another update, in the context of assigning a designation to the Missile Boat (which I will be doing as soon as I get moved onto my new rig and have some breathing room). I’m still not settled on the Eta/Epsilon question from above, but have settled on those two names regardless of which way I go. There is also the Omicron-Class (the Bad Batch’s ship), which leaves us with three remaining names for the Missile Boat: Pi, Rho and Phi. Of these, I’m partial to Rho, with the Missile Boat being the Rho-Class XG-2 “Nova Wing” Missile Boat.
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So the (formerly) Eta-class Cargo Barge is going to be the Epsilon-class Cargo Barge and the Missile Boat is going to be the Rho-Class XG-2 “Nova Wing” Missile Boat?
Sweet. Can't wait to see the stats for them so's I can make their docfiles and PDFs for my GoogleDocs.
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