Imperial Sector Fleet

[ThrorII]

This is a bit out of left field, and comes from a 'small galaxy' perspective, so bear with me.

The ImpSB seems to imply that a Sector Fleet is just that, the fleet that a sector could expect to bring to bear. BUT, the SW flims do not support the idea of 24 Star Destroyers and 1,600 attack ships per average sector.

The Prequel sourcebooks and data DO support, however, that during the Clone Wars the galaxy is divided in to 20 Sector Armies/Sector Fleets, and that each army consists of 147,000 clone troopers. Obviously these "Sector Armies/Sector Fleets encompass several, sometimes dozens, of sectors.

Is it possible, in the 'small galaxy' view of the movies and Clone Wars show, that 24 Star Destroyers make up the core of a roughly clone war sized Galactic Sector Group? That would leave much more room for a Rebellion to act and hide. That would leave the Galactic Empire with their 6 (semi-canonical) Super Star Destroyers, 480 Imperial Star Destroyers, and a couple thousand smaller ships.

Still overwhelming for a small band of freedom fighters, but not absurdly overwhelming like 25,000 Star Destroyers.

I think it comes down to whether you want a 'realistic' galaxy of millions of inhabited worlds, or a cinematic galaxy of a couple thousand worlds (like the Essential Atlas names).
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[Mamatried]

I am not sure where it was stated, but I think it was under the various types of imperial navy lines, that 1 Star Desroyer was the rough equivalent of one line

if we look at a navy battle squadron, average 18 starships, then we that this squadron is basically centered around the ONE ISD, with the rest of the ships and lines acting in support.

If we then up this abother level in the imperial order of battle we get from the squadron level to the system force level.
again here we see the "huge" numbers of ships, but we also see that the numbers vary.

of the systems forces, several are simply "support" and really do not count or in most cases are included in ship crews thoughout the squadron and lines.

next unit level up is the fleet, and many f them can easily be as small as 100-ish total starships, all depending on the configuration of the subunits.

Looking to a deepdock fleet, this is a total sector naval asset , naturally there are diffenrent types of fleets.

The deep dock fleet with the standard organization has 280 starships and 2 deepdocks, this is not a staggering number in any way and yes this is the TOTAL naval assets for the sector, the total military force will also include army units and then a sector army, with the basic size of 4 armies or 2 systems armies respectively.

But lets look at the number of ships and main types

So in the force escort part of the deepdock fleet, we have maybe the most firepower and the largest combat lelement, we see this in the 108 average ships, of heavy cruiser, cruiser and light cruiser general configustation.
the main types of cruisers pr unit I suppose will vary.

the engineering, force support, and technical services of the deepdock fleet are all mostly non combat units, large KDY transports or otherwise with frigate/corvette and light cruiser support.

Looking at a total sector fleet, in this case a deepdock fleet and not a combat fleet we have 280 ships with no star destroyers.

if we then go to an assault fleet, one with army transport/landing capabilities we have no more than 100 ships more, for about 380 ships on average, here with star destroyers and slightly different support element organization, but still "only" 380 ships.

so if we look to what does a sector have we can assume this. All sector have a minimum of forces both army and navy, some sectors are large and some are small, I can assum this reflects in most cases the size of the military forces, simply to give things a measurement.

So if we take the "average" sector and assign a fleet, we then have the total navy assets, then we add a sector army, that is in short 4 imperial armies, devided into 2 system armies.
For the Assault fleet this is the general composition, one sector army can be transported and landed by the assault fleet.

So what role is the sector play militarily , is is large or small, can it have more than one "sector" force, etc etc all this contributes, but in general we have to look at things from what the numbers actually say ans well as wha the "flush texxt" says, and it says that one FLEET is the sector naval asset, and as such we have the varuous fleets, none with more than 300-400 starships at the very most, and most of them being leight cruisers and corvette inclass and size with onely a few star destroyers.

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[DougRed4]

[Inquisitor1138]

[Whill]

[CRMcNeill]

[Inquisitor1138]

Hmn, a lot to unpack here, but thanks! About half of these are on my big master list, i just left them out as i was a bit crunched for time. As to the ones that are new to me i look forward to checking them out!

While i am fond of the Vibre cruiser & Raider corvette, they won't be around yet in 15 BBY, so i'm working with a lot of older ships, and some homebrew ships based on WWI & II ships, whose stats i'm still hammering out.
Adding the Caravel-Class Light (Scout) Cruiser but in limited numbers.
Interesting idea with the Mobilizer-Series Cruisers; it's too early for Interdictor & Enforcer cruisers, but the CC-7700 Interdiction Frigate is around but largely unknown to 99.99% of the galaxy...
Indictor-Class Reconnaissance/Electronic Warfare Corvettes are a special case, as half of those in the region are Inquisition assets, not Sector Groups.
Aiwha is nice and tempting, but i'll leave it in the future.
I am hand-waiving the Kontos-class Star Frigate into the predecessor of Strike-class cruisers, instead of its successor.

I should get to bed, thx for the info!

[CRMcNeill]

No problem. Based on the Era you're talking about, Fractal's Proclamator would be a good fit for the >Heavy Cruiser slot, as well.
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[Inquisitor1138]

[CRMcNeill]

[Inquisitor1138]

Come to think of it, i effectively used a taskforce approach but without codifying it, just keeping it simple, i guess. I am about to read the Taskforce concept thread, see what ideas i get.

Edit: Luckily i had added & saved the Caravel-Class Light (Scout) Cruiser to my list before the craputer crashed.
I Like the Taskforce concept! So i might have Carrier Taskforces and Support Taskforces, and even group them into Combat Support Groups.

[CRMcNeill]

[CRMcNeill]

One possibility I've seen for a carrier-based line comes from the fan fiction Hull 721, where a single Venator with a mixed bag of various fighter types is treated as a Sweep Line, where the mission is to jump into a star system and use short and medium-range fighters to do a recon-in-force, saturating the system in armed sensor platforms to see what they can find.
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[ThrorII]

Going back to my "Small Galaxy" with Republic-era "Sector Fleets", and only using ships found in the movies and Clone War show (a very cinematic type of play, for players who are really only familiar with the movies) I have the empire:

Dividing the galaxy in to 20 sector fleets similar to the Republic in the Clone War (because the Empire is the extension of the Old Republic). Each of these Sector Fleets cover several to dozens of sectors.

12 of the 20 Sector Fleets have a Super-Star Destroyer as a command ship, with the other 8 under construction.

On average, each Sector Fleet has:
24 Imperial-Star Destroyers
16 Venator-Star Destroyers (left overs from the Clone Wars)
40 Arquiten-Light Cruisers
40 Nebulon-B Frigates

For a total fleet strength of:
12 Super Star Destroyers
480 Imperial Star Destroyers
320 Venator Star Destoryers
800 Arquiten Light Cruisers
800 Nebulon-B Frigates

But, as I said, I run a 'small galaxy' using the published information and maps to show a galaxy of about 336 Imperial Sectors and 182 Outer Rim Sectors. With 3,000 named inhabited systems (1,024 Member Systems of the Empire/Republic), and about 30,000 systems with small outposts, bases, small colonies, etc.
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