Inverse Optional Damage Rule

CRMcNeill · Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 2:07 am Post subject:

In the interests of running with my idea, here is the current concept:

1). Roll to Hit as normal, accounting for Scale, Cover modifiers and appropriate reaction skill rolls (if a reaction roll is made, save the result, as it will be used again below). If the gunner makes a successful To Hit roll, resolve damage as normal. If he misses, continue to #2.

2). Based on the situation, the GM decides whether blast radius rules should come into effect. If yes, then continue to #3. If no, the shot is a clean miss and no damage is inflicted.

3). The degree of failure on the To Hit roll determines the degree of the miss (and thus the degree of damage reduction). Divide the difference by the following number, based on Scale and modifiers:

. The character receives the result as a bonus to the initial Dodge roll (see #1).

4). Apply the modified Dodge roll to the following chart, based on whether the weapon is a Point or Area effect type:

Point

Area

5). Use the previously generated percentage charts for Point and Area effect damage to generate a partial damage roll.

6). Roll damage as normal

If generating a random hit (such as a nearby speeder or building taking a hit from a high-powered weapon), begin at #3, with the distancee of miss determined by the GM, then proceed as normal.
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garhkal · Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:56 pm Post subject:

CRMcNeill · Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 4:29 pm Post subject:

CRMcNeill · Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 8:50 pm Post subject:

Okay, take 2, with example included:

1). Roll to Hit as normal, accounting for Scale, Cover modifiers and appropriate reaction skill rolls (if a reaction roll is made, save the result, as it will be used again below). If the gunner makes a successful To Hit roll, resolve damage as normal. If he misses, continue to #2.

2). Based on the situation, the GM decides whether blast radius rules should come into effect. If yes, then continue to #3. If no, the shot is a clean miss and no damage is inflicted.

3). The degree of failure on the To Hit roll determines the degree of the miss (and thus the degree of damage reduction). For every 5 points by which the To Hit roll failed, add 1 pip to the Dodge roll from above (see #1).

4). Apply the modified Dodge roll to the following chart, based on whether the weapon is a Point or Area effect type:

Point

Area

5). Determine the weapon's combined damage value by adding the scale modifier to the basic damage. Find the combined damage value under the 100% column, then find the appropriate damage level based on the percentage of damage generated under #4):

Point Damage by Percentage (100% / 80% / 50% / 20%)

Area Damage by Percentage (100% / 80% / 60% / 40%)

6). Roll damage as normal

7) If you need to determine the actual distance from the blast, use the Dodge bonus from #3 and apply it to the following modifiers:

The range in meters, combined with the grenade scatter chart, allow the GM to determine relative distance from the blast in case multiple characters are involved.

If generating a random hit (such as a nearby speeder or building taking a hit from a high-powered weapon), begin at #3, with the degree of miss determined by the GM, then proceed as normal.

EXAMPLE #1:
1) An AT-AT fires its main laser cannon at a running Rebel Trooper who is 100 meters away (Short Range), which makes it an Easy shot. The gunner rolls 3D to Hit (5D skill + 2D Fire Control - 4D Scale Modifier) for a 7, which fails to hit the trooper, but only by 3 points. However, the trooper, knowing he is being targeted by the AT-AT is running an evasive course (normal Dodge), plus the GM determines that the terrain offers some degree of cover. The troopers rolls 6D+2 (5D+2 Dodge + 1D Cover modifier) skill to avoid the shot, with a result of 22, beating the Walker's attack by 15 points.

2) Because the AT-AT was firing at a downward angle, the GM decides that blast radius rules should take effect.

3) Because the AT-AT's attack missed by 15 points, the trooper receives a +3 bonus to the initial Dodge roll of 22, for a total of 25

4) Since the AT-AT's cannon is considered a Point effect weapon, compare the modified Dodge roll from #3 with the Point Damage Percentage chart. In this case, a 25 results in a 20% damage result.

5) The AT-AT's base damage is 6D, with a Scale Modifier of 4D, for a total of 10D. 20% damage under 10D inflicts 2D damage.

6) Roll 2D Damage (Result: 9) against the character's 3D Strength (Result: 8). The character is battered by the nearby blast and takes a Stunned result.

7) Rolling on the Grenade Scatter chart and using the Dodge bonus from #3, the result is that the blast hit 3 meters to the trooper's right.
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Esoomian · Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 4:33 pm Post subject:

CRMcNeill · Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 9:00 pm Post subject:

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Esoomian · Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 10:14 am Post subject:

At some point I seem to have lost my way on this thread. What I intended to do was to promote a different viewpoint for discussion because I believe that crmcneill has identified a problem with the existing ruleset but I did not like his fix because it didn't mesh with my viewpoint. What I should have done was either have taken crmcneill's viewpoint on and attempted to help him fix any internal logical errors with it or started my own thread attempting to fix the problem in a way compatible with my viewpoint. What I ended up doing was arguing and trying to convince crmcneill that my viewpoint was right. The potential debate was lost as we got frustrated with each other's interpretations of the viewpoints involved. I'm going to try and get us back on topic so that this forum can be used for its intended purpose, as a tool for better enjoying D6 Star Wars games. Hopefully this post will showcase both viewpoints so those who haven't made a decision yet or those new to this thread can decide what viewpoint/solution suits their game best.

In the interest of brevity I'll be paraphrasing and summarizing points rather than using quotes. If this causes any misinterpretations or misrepresents anyone's viewpoint that was not my intent.

The problem crmcneill identified is that powerful weapons should have a 'splash damage' capacity so they should have an easier time damaging smaller targets.

His viewpoint is that a near miss could land close enough to the target to still cause it damage (so for example if an 18 was needed to hit and a 17 was rolled the shot would land close enough to the target to still cause it damage if the weapon was sufficiently powerful). To this end he put forward a table for near misses and how near misses could still cause damage to the target. He also supported his point with evidence from the films of shots that did not hit the intended target but still killed them anyway.

The equally valid viewpoint that I support is that if the gunner rolls a miss he has failed to land the shot close enough to the target to cause any damage (so for example if a gunner rolled a 17 with a powerful weapon but an 18 was required to hit then his shot landed far enough away from the target that the target took no damage from the shot. This may mean the shot actually landed quite far away or that it hit some sort of obstacle which shielded the target). This means that what crmcneill calls misses would be counted as hits it my viewpoint. It also means that the damage roll also comes into play when determining how a target is hit. For instance a low damage roll with a powerful weapon could mean that the shot actually missed the target and the target was caught in the blast. To this end I put forward the idea that someone with a powerful gun could instead of directly targeting a small nimble foe target the area near them and sacrifice some of the potential damage for a blast effect. I supported my point by saying that the examples crmcneill used to support his point become hits with low damage rolls. Essentially a case of 'Many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view.'

Later on in the thread the idea of orbital bombardment arose which helped push us off topic as it doesn't really fit into the debate. I'm not going to get into orbital bombardment in any great detail because in my mind orbital bombardment is not about attempting to hit a single small target and missing it is about attempting to apply damage to as wide an area as possible so it does not aid crmcneill's rule creation.

In the interest of assisting crmcneill with his rule creation if we simply go with his viewpoint then the following things probably need to be addressed. Assume that the gunner is in an AT-AT and firing at a group of storm troopers.
-If he wants to cause damage to as many of them as possible how does he do this?
-If he targets the leader and hits does the leader simply absorb all the damage and leave the rest of his squad unscathed no matter how closely packed they were.
-If there is a blast effect on a direct hit how does that work (cinematically)if the initial target is not destroyed? To expand on this if the leader of the storm troopers does not take any damage from the AT-AT's weapon or is only wounded by the weapon how is the blast generated?
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