-1D for keeping powers "up"

noctum_carpe · Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 6:31 pm Post subject:

Perhaps that was just bad luck 8)
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Ankhanu · Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 4:09 pm Post subject:

Training can be ongoing through a story... it just means that character points can't be spent for a while, or can be spent, but the benefit doesn't surface for a while; Train a bit each day, adventure the rest. You can't complain about the rules allowing Jedi to become to powerful if you don't use the rules that are in place to keep them in check. Of course they're going to be too strong if you accelerate the learning process and make it cheap.

Training can also be a good side mission... means their out of the main story for a while, but a creative/skilled GM can run two stories at once for the two character groups. Make training the character's adventure, like Luke working with Yoda while the others are flying around battling the Empire and chilling on Cloud City.
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garhkal · Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 6:07 pm Post subject:

And also the finding and convincing the teacher to accept you as a student can be an adventure in it's own right.
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garhkal · Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 3:15 pm Post subject:

Well enchance attribute has more uses than just the bonus for Skills. What if you have no skill and are defaulting to a die roll. Also a lot of opposed checks are based on dex/str. like breaking out of a wrestling hold, or resisting being knocked down.
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Ankhanu · Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 1:08 pm Post subject:

The twists and turns in the subject of this discussion have been interesting... it started off with a complaint on how Force Users are nerfed by having MAPs for keeping powers up, moved on to how powerful Force Users can be and how they can dominate combat, moving on to methods to retard the power of Force Users, moving on to how to make accessing the Force more difficult for light siders and easier for dark siders...

... most of which is about weakening Force Users, when the OP is about them being too weakened.

We're a curious crew Razz

Somewhere along the lines I thought that slaughterj was saying that Jedi were too powerful, so I started providing mechanics for changing that within a campaign... but upon quickly reviewing the thread, he wasn't looking for that at all. Slaughterj, you may disregard my suggestions for limiting Jedi progress, as, well, it's not something you're interested in doing Razz

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garhkal · Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 7:54 pm Post subject:

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Well, that can be easily curtailed using the method one of my GMs uses:

IF YOU DIDN'T USE THE SKILL, YOU CAN'T RAISE IT THIS TIME!!!

That way, if the Jedi was running around doing this and that, but not using the Force, they're not going to get to add CPs to any of the Force skills during an award session because they didn't practice that skill. As long as the GM is across the board with this, holding ALL players to this rule, there should be no problems.

Jedi Skyler · Moff Joined: 07 Sep 2005 Posts: 8440

Well, that can be easily curtailed using the method one of my GMs uses:

IF YOU DIDN'T USE THE SKILL, YOU CAN'T RAISE IT THIS TIME!!!

That way, if the Jedi was running around doing this and that, but not using the Force, they're not going to get to add CPs to any of the Force skills during an award session because they didn't practice that skill. As long as the GM is across the board with this, holding ALL players to this rule, there should be no problems.

cunning_kindred · Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 3:51 am Post subject:

The Force is too useful for that rule to work. There's always a reason to use it at some point during the adventure.

noctum_carpe · Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 4:00 am Post subject:

masque · Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 4:10 am Post subject:

I use a variant on that myself. Every time a player uses a skill successfully I have them put a tick mark by it on their character sheet, and those are the skills that they can increase with CPs without having to deal with "training." I figure experience in "real life" situations is just as good, if not better than training.

I also came up with a house rule where if someone successfully attempts to use a skill that they don't have using their default attribute then I give them a pip in that skill for the cost of one CP. So if the player's Technical was 3D+1, and they succeeded at a Computer Programming at 3D+1, I'll let them go to 3D+1 for 1 CP. After that they increase it as normal, of course, but I find that it encourages the players to try out new things and broaden their skill bases without unbalancing the game (since everyone can do it, of course).
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noctum_carpe · Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 4:18 am Post subject:

I usually give out skill specific cp on occation as well. If the players have used it a lot during an adventure, not for the common skills like blaster, dodge thou and only until its raised +2D over its attribute i find that that broadens the chars a littke something i like.
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