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Fallon Kell
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| Bren wrote: | You say that like it's a bad thing.  |
I do? I hadn't meant to. I think it's awesome. My brother owns an R2 unit with an aftermarket vocabulator. It has the voice of GIR, the mouth of a sailor, and the personality of an old tom cat mixed with a stuck-up punk kid.
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Raven Redstar
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| garhkal wrote: | | Bren wrote: | | ZzaphodD wrote: | | I think the trick would be to have a hidden internal backup that autorestores a day after a memory whipe... |
Or an internal backup command that tells the droid to search for some bit of memory and if it is not there (i.e. the memory was wiped) to go download the backup from the external site/source to "fix" the problem of the missing data.
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But does not all programming get erased during a memory wipe> Only hard wiring updates stay? So how would that programming stay? |
Firmware, just like in today's computer systems. You have software that is physically burned onto circuitry. As long as there is a dedicated power supply, (IE a tiny battery) it will keep certain settings. Think about it as the difference between reformatting a hard drive and flashing your bios. Neither affects the other when done, unless you do a bad flash on the bios, then the computer won't work well. The droid's basic input output could include hidden code to re-download wiped software.
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garhkal
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I would require something like that to be purchased and installed by the droids controlling PC IN game.. not something i would allow prior as part of the droids backstory. BUT thats me.
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Raven Redstar
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| Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 3:55 pm Post subject: |
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Absolutely! If the PC wanted his droid to have some sort of re-download script written in, then that would definitely be aftermarket. Unless, you were having it as some sort of plot hook where an evil corporation installs assassin protocols in their droids, and has that written into the droid's firmware without the PC's knowledge.
Imagine it...
"I don't know why my astromech has homicidal tendencies! I've taken him in for 4 memory wipes and he keeps wanting to kill people!"
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| Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 5:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Raven Redstar wrote: | Absolutely! If the PC wanted his droid to have some sort of re-download script written in, then that would definitely be aftermarket. Unless, you were having it as some sort of plot hook where an evil corporation installs assassin protocols in their droids, and has that written into the droid's firmware without the PC's knowledge.
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"I don't know why my astromech has homicidal tendencies! I've taken him in for 4 memory wipes and he keeps wanting to kill people!" |
One of our nearest TPK was from the result of hidden programming/backup.
My character was a droid tinkerer and rebuilt a cargo droid into a heavy combat droid. Basically a 2,5 meter version of this
It was a complete rebuild, same chassis but new brain and new servo-motors for movement. Heavily armoured and armed with an e-web and a heavy rocket launcher (a gigantic vibroblad (from a wood cutting droid) and elecrifiable hull for close combat defence). However, to get a really effective combat software my character stripped programming from a assassin droid head we found.
Problem was that the assassin droids personality program was hidden in the code and reinstalled itself into 3v1L-3d (the droids name). When the party needed the droids power source in a deep space emergency the droid resented getting shut down and started to fight (with the above said weapons) in the cargo bay of the partys ship.. And, oh, I had a thermal detonator built in as a self destruction device if the droid was defeated...
So, hidden programming can be dangerous in more than one way...
Those were the days... 
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Esoomian
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The consensus seems to be that an unmodified astromech seems would be unable to trigger something that would cause harm to an organic being.
Now if the interface was set up in such a way that the astromech thought it was attacking droids or participating in some sort of virtual training exercise then it could probably blast away.
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| Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 8:47 pm Post subject: |
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| garhkal wrote: | | I would require something like that to be purchased and installed by the droids controlling PC IN game.. not something i would allow prior as part of the droids backstory. BUT thats me. |
Would you allow it to be part of the backstory if the droid was a PC as opposed to an NPC? Just curious.
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vanir
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I wonder if droids can have personality disorders and psychological problems, like an astromech becoming convinced that he was in fact constructed from the parts of a lightsabre 
Every time you enter combat he starts buzzing and humming...you encounter a darksider and the astromech charges him buzzing and humming... |
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garhkal
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| cheshire wrote: | | garhkal wrote: | | I would require something like that to be purchased and installed by the droids controlling PC IN game.. not something i would allow prior as part of the droids backstory. BUT thats me. |
Would you allow it to be part of the backstory if the droid was a PC as opposed to an NPC? Just curious. |
Nope.
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MattMartin23
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| Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 2:24 pm Post subject: Droid Using Auto Turret |
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So here is the deal with the droid. The R2 and his Captain know that the astromech updates his external memory drive every 2 weeks. This backup memory drive is stored in the Captain's secret compartment under the cockpit. If he learns his droid has lost its memory the Captain will upload the memory drive which includes personality quirks, remembering details of events and experiences, skills and knowledge into the droid and realign him. This would be a very dramatic event as he had never had to do this and the R2 has not had a memory wipe in over 28+ years.
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Bren
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| Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 3:56 pm Post subject: Re: Droid Using Auto Turret |
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| MattMartin23 wrote: | | the R2 has not had a memory wipe in over 28+ years. |
Well I think that beats the length since memory wipe of Tooey (my PC Bren's R2) by a few years. FWIW (which is not much, your game-your rules), as a GM the droid memory wipe protection you've allowed doesn't bother me. As a player I probably only slightly prefer having to set something like that up during play rather than before - but that really depends on how likely I think it is that the GM would actually wipe my dependent NPC droid's personality. If I thought that was somewhat likely or more, then as a PC I'd want some type of protection from the get go. |
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garhkal
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| Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 6:25 pm Post subject: |
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That actually makes me wonder how often (if ever) pcs have suffered getting their droids wiped?
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MattMartin23
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| Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 10:38 am Post subject: Droid taking over the autoturret |
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| Since the PC is a bounty hunter and his directive to his droid is to open fire on all targets that enter the docking bay unless they are using hostages as shields I would assume that the NPC droid would have the ability to distinguish whether or not to do harm. Especially since it has been 28+ years since its last memory wipe. He would have personality quirks that make him less subserviant than most droids. Besides most astromech by nature get a little headstrong and adventurous over time... |
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