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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 6:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

garhkal wrote:
That's why in my SW, they don't exist.

The Dark Horse comics, or Miraluka?
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 11:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

crmcneill wrote:
Matthias777 wrote:
welcome to fiction created by Dark Horse.


Exactly. Dark Horse Comics: Founding Members of the Superweapon-Of-The-Month Club.


Kevin J. Anderson took that over as president though, right?
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 3:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Exactly. Why does everyone blame George for f-ing up the SWU when KJA beat him to it?
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 4:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

crmcneill wrote:
Exactly. Why does everyone blame George for f-ing up the SWU when KJA beat him to it?


KJA saved me a ton of money over the years though. I was already disappointed in a lot of novels for the expanded universe. He was the reason I gave up on everything not written by Zahn. It meant I've only bought a few books in the last decade instead of hundreds.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 5:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kaloth Varsk wrote:
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Exactly. Why does everyone blame George for f-ing up the SWU when KJA beat him to it?


KJA saved me a ton of money over the years though. I was already disappointed in a lot of novels for the expanded universe. He was the reason I gave up on everything not written by Zahn. It meant I've only bought a few books in the last decade instead of hundreds.

For some reason, I have always had mixed feelings on Kevin J. Anderson's Star Wars books. I waffle between enjoying them and resisting the urge to write hate mail. Aside from things like the Sun Crusher, Kyp breaking all his bones and cramming his body into a message pod, Dorsk 81's Force Push, etc., there was a lot of stuff I liked about the Jedi Academy trilogy, especially considering the dearth of fiction written about the Jedi at the time.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 6:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Matthias777 wrote:
garhkal wrote:
That's why in my SW, they don't exist.

The Dark Horse comics, or Miraluka?


The Miraluka..

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For some reason, I have always had mixed feelings on Kevin J. Anderson's Star Wars books. I waffle between enjoying them and resisting the urge to write hate mail. Aside from things like the Sun Crusher, Kyp breaking all his bones and cramming his body into a message pod, Dorsk 81's Force Push, etc., there was a lot of stuff I liked about the Jedi Academy trilogy, especially considering the dearth of fiction written about the Jedi at the time.


I had no issue with Dorsk's force push...
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 8:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Matthias777 wrote:
Kaloth Varsk wrote:
crmcneill wrote:
Exactly. Why does everyone blame George for f-ing up the SWU when KJA beat him to it?


KJA saved me a ton of money over the years though. I was already disappointed in a lot of novels for the expanded universe. He was the reason I gave up on everything not written by Zahn. It meant I've only bought a few books in the last decade instead of hundreds.

For some reason, I have always had mixed feelings on Kevin J. Anderson's Star Wars books. I waffle between enjoying them and resisting the urge to write hate mail. Aside from things like the Sun Crusher, Kyp breaking all his bones and cramming his body into a message pod, Dorsk 81's Force Push, etc., there was a lot of stuff I liked about the Jedi Academy trilogy, especially considering the dearth of fiction written about the Jedi at the time.


That's an awful lot to set aside to enjoy it.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 11, 2012 3:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've never really liked the Miraluka as a concept. I'd have been happy if it was a human (or any other race Jedi) with a customized Force power that allowed them to see through the Force rather than a whole race of beings that see through the Force.

If I had to run one I'd assume the Force sight was akin to echo location. Darkness and many other vision obsuring situations would be completely ignored. They would not be able to percieve holograms at all (so holographic disguises would not work) and they would be unable to read a computer screen, datapad or writing on a wall if it was not somehow raised.

The Wookieepedia page on Force sight doesn't quite back this up
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The Miraluka relied on this power constantly to compensate for their physical blindness. They could not perceive colors but could distinguish organics (even dead) and their alignment from the surrounding environment by their characteristic aura. Most objects, including doors and walls, appeared translucent, allowing to see through them.


I'd rather not have a player that could just see through walls but the inability to distinguish colour does lead me to believe that text on a screen would be completely indistinguishable to them.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2012 1:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Perhaps if it was just toned down to where they could sense where everyone was, in relation to the walls/floors/ceilins of their current locale, and didn't go through walls (unless a door or window was open) it would be easier.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2012 2:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I played around with a power once that I called Sixth Sense. It basically just allowed a Force user with some sort of obstructed sense (sight, hearing, whatever) to function as though that sense was unimpeded. Never could quite get it the way I wanted it, though...
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2012 4:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hows about

Sixth sense
This power allows a force user to act with 1 to 3 senses impaired as if those senses were not impaired. Unlike magnify senses and the like it does not alter them beyond what would normally be allowable for the race.

This is a control roll with a difficulty of easy (8) for one sense impaired, moderate (13) for two, or difficult (18) for three senses. For some unknown reason it won't work with more than 3 senses impaired. When activated it lasts 1 hour, and does not require an action to keep up.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 9:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

THat's as good as anything. The main problem that I ran into was that the RAW is pretty vague when it comes to the penalties for blindness and other obstructed senses...
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 4:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Page 93, R&E rule book

Cover
Characters are harder to hit when they've got cover:
something that hides them from attackers. In some
situations, such as thick smoke and fog, these modifiers
may also be added to search or Perception difficulties
to spot a hidden character.
Add the cover modifier (or modifiers if more than
one applies) to the difficulty to hit the target.
Cover Modifier
Light smoke +1D
Thick smoke +2D
Very thick smoke +4D
Poor light +1D
Moonlit night +2D
Complete darkness +4D

Example: Thannik is in a dark alley looking
for his target. He spots movement in the back of
the alley and sees that it's the person he's trying
to track down. The target is at medium range
(Moderate difficulty; difficulty number 13), but
it's a moonlit night, which adds +2D to the difficulty.
The gamemaster rolls and gets a 5.
Thannik's new difficulty is an 18. He rolls a 15 —
his shot misses.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 6:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

garhkal wrote:
Page 93, R&E rule book
Yes, I noted that as well. Since very thick smoke and complete darkness are both +4D to difficulty, it seems reasonable that blind is probably +4D to the difficulty.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 2:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most places i have seen it been -4d..
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