Tecnology progression Question (and a little bit of a rant)

[Mamatried]

Tecnology progression.

In the Old Republic Galaxy guide there is a tech-ladder that indicates
how tech have developed.
on this we see that old republic blasters are far less effective if used on a modern armor etc

so we see that clone wars era ships and equipment is at -1D maing all weapons deal less damage
and the hull/shields will take +1D damage.

This tech.ladder goes both ways so anything first order would again be +1D or more better than "current"

I however find this to be at best flaed, and at worst "bantha podo"


If we look to the movies, we se one iconic ship, the falon, a ship model the YT-1300 is seen in
the prequals, yet somehow the ship is not -1D all over due to the aging tech being inferor to the
new one.

I am all in favor of progress and that most things new will be better than most things old, BUT
I can not see that clone wars era gear is inferior to that level or inferior at all compared to current.

Now is the clone wars tech at par with "current", I would say yes and no.
I can not see any sign that clone armor is that inferior to the stormtrooper armor.
the electornics are naturally better, we can see this om the MTFAS system being at a lower dice number
but we see people using clone wars guns, and vehicles, some vehicles super old, more than 50-100yrs
which in star wars don't really seem to be as much.

Now how is it realistic to have a performance gap, well lets look to our world.
The M4 developed over 50 years ago, a platform that is constantly improved and "renewed"
but still a 50 year old platform.
The great comabt aircraft F14 is another agin warhorse, 50 years old, or the F-15 and F-16 both
still in use with modern avionocs and weapon systems, but the platform is still 50 years old.

so is then realistic to argue that a clone war armor actully have STR +0 to resist armor becuse the
armor was from the "last war" or is it more logical and more "lore driendly" to actually make the tech gap
less rigid and more "random" seeing things like the over 100yr old YT-1300 model being still 100% upto
date.

This view, most clone war tech and rebellion era tech is more or less at par doe not prevent technology
from beinf developed, for tech to improve but not always imo in mere dice output
lets look at the TIE Defender, a new design, adding in hyperdrive and shields......it is most ly those two
features that speerate it form the othet TIEs, without then it would be a "funny looking TIE" and
nothing more. So here we could argue the same level of gunnery, sensors, and so on.......but it
is new technology still.

lets look at Cpt Rex, we see him in rebels using his clone armor and his clone guns, they do not appear
to have any less effect against the stormtrooper armors, even though the troopers would roll
+1D to the armor, pitting at +4D vs the shot at a -1D for the 3D damage.........

I would argue that tech is constantly improving, someotimes it is a brand new ADD/REMOVE dice or pip
becuse of how something is doen, maybe a better way of using the ozone in blasters making them
more effective. sure.......but is this an automatic +1D after a set number of years....and then why is not
the other thing made on the same day, the old comlink or maybe the steel knife 20 years prior
somehow was made of inferior steel from the same ore, from the same mine but naturally the
ore and the mine and the fisnished steel somehow is now much better, It matured we might say LOL

I am not sure what would be a more accurate tech-tree or ladder but I dislike the one that is now.
I see very little to no difference in dice value to clone wars and to battle of yavin era.

I would like and maybe will try work out a revised tech tree refelcting changes but maybe less rigid
and to me more make sense.

That being said I understand why things are made the way are, I would love to use some of the "op"
old republic stuff in my battle of yavin era rebel cell, with the claoking devices and the overkill guns and
more, and naturally with no restrictions on 3000 yr old tech this wwill be silly, and I agree, but
I disagree that clone wars tech is any more ot less inferior than mybe, and I am stretching to the limit, a +1
pip value. The first TIE fighters used not statted out as -1D compared to others were CLONE WARS ERA
the Death Star is a clone wars era weapon.......some of the star destroyers are, selveral of the
shuttle craft were still in use and not statted with -1D anyhere compared to the same models made
10-15 years later.
Armors we see the electronics mostly improve, some mobility and ergonomics we do see, but other than helmet
design and mnor changes, like from phase 1 to phase 2 , to the armor, the only real change
to the stormtrooper armor from the clone trooper armor is the MFTAS system mostly

so what would be reasonable...why is not mace windu's lightsaber only 4D damage becuse 20 years
passed?
Why isn't the lightsabers weaker? after all Vader's would be at a -1D+2 and palaptine's one would be a -2D maybe even
more...

So what is the most reasonable differences in tech and when are they game mechanically not

[MrNexx]

Some of this may be a bit Ship of Thesus, and another bit too short of intervals.

To the Ship of Thesus solution, you could argue that many aging ships have been upgraded/repaired over the years to conform to modern standards. So, mothballed Rebellion-era TIEs might have the penalty, but constant-service TIEs would have had their systems brought up to contemporary standards.

OTOH, there's the interval. I'm 100% cool with such adjustments bein applied to Jedi Civil War era stuff... the Ebon Hawk is going to be way behind the Falcon and, at 2000 years old, it would be hard to upgrade it. But I don't know if I would apply it between Rebellion Era and Resistance Era, or even between High Republic and Resistance. A couple hundred years doesn't seem to be that long in the scope of the galaxy.
_________________
"I've Seen Your Daily Routine. You Are Not Busy!"
“We're going to win this war, not by fighting what we hate, but saving what we love.”
http://rpgcrank.blogspot.com/

[garhkal]

Heck, we have helos and airplanes that are 60+ years old, and STILL perform well..

So i agree. that their 'tech ladder' is bantha poodo.
_________________
Confucious sayeth, don't wash cat while drunk!

[Mamatried]