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PostPosted: Thu Mar 30, 2017 5:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Simply having a heuristic processor does not mean all droids will have the same personality. Both C-3PO and R2-D2 have heuristic processors because they both perform duties that require the ability to learn and adapt, but it is applied in different ways.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 30, 2017 8:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MrNexx wrote:
There we go. R2: Heuristic Processor. 3PO: Non-heuristic processor. Fight me.
CRMcNeill wrote:
Simply having a heuristic processor does not mean all droids will have the same personality. Both C-3PO and R2-D2 have heuristic processors because they both perform duties that require the ability to learn and adapt, but it is applied in different ways.

I quite agree. Threepio lied to Luke by pretending he didn't know who Leia was. On the Death Star Threepio pulled a con on stormtroopers by hiding in the closet then posing as an Imperial droid who had been trapped there by the "mad men" heading to the prison level (knowing that the Imps had to already know they were on the prison level). Then when they tried to leave he unexpectedly ran into trooper on guard and on the spot made up the con that he was escorting R2 "down to maintenance." That's adaptation. Just because Threepio told Luke he wasn't very good at telling stories or at least making them interesting, that doesn't mean that was the truth. (And the only known memory wipe of Threepio was right at the start of the Empire.)

Saying Threepio didn't have a heuristic processor is an insult, so in the spirit of Threepio I say, "Well I never..." Since protocol droids are programmed to interact and translate, I think heuristic processor would be standard on protocol droids.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 30, 2017 8:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MrNexx wrote:
I can see little reason that any droid couldn't be outfitted with a heuristic processor... it's just some you don't really need them to be.

Mouse Droid? WTF (What the force, obviously) does it need a heuristic processor for? Power Droid? Even line-unit battle droids, there's little point to there being a heuristic processor, and I'd be willing to bet that most Protocol Droids don't bother with them, either.

In fact, I will make a statement: R2-D2 has a heuristic processor. C-3PO does not. Throughout the movies, we see R2 making choices based on more abstract things (such as accepting a message from the Princess to carry to a person at an unknown location on a non-droid-friendly planet, requiring him to violate the rules regarding droids and escape pods), and learning and adapting to new circumstances. 3PO... becomes a better storyteller after 4+ years without a memory wipe. He's still heavily constrained by his programming and seemingly thinks of himself primarily in terms of his model designation. When asked to do a task, he spouts Cybot-Galactica marketing copy, even into Return of the Jedi.

There we go. R2: Heuristic Processor. 3PO: Non-heuristic processor. Fight me.


(I know people like 3PO. Always answer their phones with the work greeting. Laughing )

I'll argue that medical droids also require heuristic processors because treating organic bodies requires the ability to learn from past experiences. Viruses and diseases mutate. What causes a mild skin irritation in one species can turn out to be fatal in another.

Scout/probot droids need the ability to learn and adapt to the new worlds they are exploring.

Law enforcement droids need to be able adapt to rapidly changing scenarios that occur when dealing with criminals. Otherwise there will be frequent ED-209 situations.

Ultimately tho a GM has the final say in his campaign. As much as I might debate with garhkal here I respect his right to run his campaigns his way.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 30, 2017 9:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whill wrote:
MrNexx wrote:
There we go. R2: Heuristic Processor. 3PO: Non-heuristic processor. Fight me.
CRMcNeill wrote:
Simply having a heuristic processor does not mean all droids will have the same personality. Both C-3PO and R2-D2 have heuristic processors because they both perform duties that require the ability to learn and adapt, but it is applied in different ways.

I quite agree. Threepio lied to Luke by pretending he didn't know who Leia was. On the Death Star Threepio pulled a con on stormtroopers by hiding in the closet then posing as an Imperial droid who had been trapped there by the "mad men" heading to the prison level (knowing that the Imps had to already know they were on the prison level). Then when they tried to leave he unexpectedly ran into trooper on guard and on the spot made up the con that he was escorting R2 "down to maintenance." That's adaptation. Just because Threepio told Luke he wasn't very good at telling stories or at least making them interesting, that doesn't mean that was the truth. (And the only known memory wipe of Threepio was right at the start of the Empire.)

Saying Threepio didn't have a heuristic processor is an insult, so in the spirit of Threepio I say, "Well I never..." Since protocol droids are programmed to interact and translate, I think heuristic processor would be standard on protocol droids.


I agree about 3PO, however I wouldn't find it unreasonable if standard Imperial droids didn't come with these processors based on the logic that they would probably frown on droids developing self awareness, and individuality. Seeing those things as security risks.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 30, 2017 9:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you've listened to the radio dramas, Threepio is actually quite adept at conning people on the fly. There are hints of this in the films, also ("They're heading for the prison level! If you hurry, you might catch them!") That requires a definite element of improvisation, reacting to a changing situation on the fly. It's not that he can't do it; he just doesn't like it. He's programmed for etiquette and protocol, not deception.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 30, 2017 9:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

CRMcNeill wrote:
If you've listened to the radio dramas, Threepio is actually quite adept at conning people on the fly. There are hints of this in the films, also ("They're heading for the prison level! If you hurry, you might catch them!") That requires a definite element of improvisation, reacting to a changing situation on the fly. It's not that he can't do it; he just doesn't like it. He's programmed for etiquette and protocol, not deception.



I've never had the pleasure of hearing the radio dramas. Sad
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 30, 2017 10:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ForbinProject wrote:
I've never had the pleasure of hearing the radio dramas. Sad

I highly recommend them, as they fill in a lot of material on the original trilogy. As near as I can tell, the only episodes that are out of date are 2 & 3, which Rogue One took the place of (although there is an interesting part in 3 where Artoo and Threepio are programmed with priority codes to make them obey Leia above all else, which explains why Artoo was so intent on finding Obi-wan in ANH; Leila had ordered him to, but didn't have time to include Threepio in the command).

There are several scenes where Artoo and Threepio are both quite creative when it comes to getting out of trouble.
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