RoE Optional Damage Rules

[Bren]

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[Azai]

Quick question.

Could someone explain the 2:1 ratio to me? Is it, I give 1D of skill dice to damage and it only increases it +1 or +2 pip?

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[garhkal]

Yup. Example..

Shadlla the sniper is taking a shot at wirir the wookie rebel. She knows the wookie is tough and her 4d damage base rifle might not do much if she hits.
BUT she is a crack shot 9d+2d sniper skill) and is using a bipod (+1d) and taking aim (+1d) with using a sniper scope (+1d+2).

Since she is sniping, it is a sure thing she will get surprise, so she is not worried the wookie is going to dodge.

So her total is 9d+2 +1d +1d +1d+2 = 12+4 (rounded to 13d+1).

Since she is going to do a medium range shot (moderate difficulty, 13 target number), she figures she will need an average of 4d+1 to hit (3.5 x 4 = 14 +1 for 15).
So she can safely take 8d of her 13d+1 to give an additional +4d to damage.
This leaves her with 5d+1 to hit and if she succeeds, the wookie must soak 4d+4d = 8D damage
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[Bren]

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[garhkal]

I'm the opposite.. to me the single precision shot was very cinematic.
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[Fallon Kell]

To me it depends on the target. If you're killing a rancor I can see a whole bunch of shots. I doubt one to the eye would bring it down.

In other circumstances, one shot is definitely where it's at.
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[vanir]

There is a point however where even a kill shot simply isn't enough to bring down large and determined enemies for a given weapon.

The British, in the late 19th century equipped their officers with new, high powered cartridge ammunition sidearms like the Webley .38 at the time considered a powerful round (a .45 would be considered more suited to a cavalry carbine back then). Typical sidearms ran to about .32 calibre, a typical civilian handgun would be a .25 pepperbox or .32 derringer

So they went to africa and had a problem with the zulu and other tribes. What they found was that forts were overrun by mass charges, and officers regularly engaged close combat, and the problem was despite shooting accurately and mortally, the standard British sidearm was not capable of stopping a charging tribesman in his tracks. Officers were hacked to pieces by combatants they had mortally wounded with heartshots and such with their Webleys.

A new philosophy regarding stopping power versus shooting accuracy or lethal range was decided and the .455 Webley was produced specifically for officers sidearms in overseas deployments.
It wasn't as accurate as the .38, less likely to go where you point it, but if you hit, whatever you hit is down, every time.


This is a case of simply requiring a weapon that does more damage when facing tougher opponents.
This leaves me in a hesitant position about damage capabilities of a given weapon to overcome an enemy's ability to continue the fight, being limited only by Player choice and skill die. There's a point where too much skill is only more likely to get you killed, because you might be too complacent to run when you should've. That was the British lesson.

Sometimes you plain need a bigger gun. I like that thought in game.
Really not sure about these RoE, I'm thinking a more conservative system would be better.

[Bren]

[jmanski]

I agree with both one shot and multi shot kills for cinematic reasons. But I'd limit the one shot variety to the size of creature Jango killed (a Reek, IIRC), but not any larger.

I've always held that one blaster dice roll = one attack, while most folks seem to think that one blaster dice roll = one shot. Attack to me can be one or more shots, depending on the situation (weapon, enemy, shooter, etc). That way the game stays cinematic and exciting.
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[Bren]

[vanir]

I was trying to keep it simple Bren. I've a tendency to do novel sized posts as it is.
And at the end of extrapolating a back and forth, to save us a few pages on this, we will arrive back at what I said, in the context it was intended, but that is was indeed very loosely related. Because whole books are written by people having these kind of arguments by correspondance.
And there are more than one school of thought on military history, any kind of history, politics always gets involved at some point.

kind of like where we jumped to handguns in america.
The .44 colt army was originally a cavalry weapon by the way, but they followed it with a short barrelled version the next year or thereabouts for infantry officers.
The Peacemaker was actually designed by Sam Colt specifically to be compatable with carbine ammunition (.44/40 Winchester lever action), so that you only needed to carry one type of ammunition on your horse out in the middle of the Nevada desert on your own.
They offered the new .45 colt cartridge alongside probably because they hoped carbine makers would start chambering for that round, and make them even more money. Just good business sense, worst case scenario they had a good handgun with their own cartridge as well as one that cattle rustlers could use.


A better challenging argument might've been the WW1 Stormtroopers Hindenburg and his buddies invented. They were deadly in 1917 and greatly feared, cleaned out whole trenches in minutes. Using...wait for it, little 7.65mm carbines. Actually, in those Mausers that Han Solo uses (they call the rounds 7.63mm but that's barrel diameter not round size). The holster is wood and when the gun is in use it's supposed to be attached to the handle, to make a short carbine.

The cartridge on those little bullets though is so fricken big, it's got the muzzle velocity of a modern .357 SIG (a ridiculously powerful german auto round in the magnum class), and the projectile energy with that tiny 90gr baby, get this, of a .38-Super round at point blank. Its ability to penetrate hard armour is about the same as a .38-Special.

Not bad for a little bullet no bigger than a .32

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