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 Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 4:02 pm Post subject: How to handle Rate of Fire |
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The RoF stat is mostly totally arbitrary (except for some heavier weapons).
Even if they made sense anything else than 1 would most of the time with a rather meaningless limitation, as its not that often that you shoot your gun 3 or more times during a round (given the fact that its much harder to make that jump if you fired your gun three times instead of twice). Also, having blaster pistols that only can fire once every 5 seconds seem rather silly.
How about looking over the RoF values. Most pistols will have 2 some exceptional will have 3 (for example Jangos) while heavies will mostly have 1.
RoF will work in a new way. Instead ruling how many shots can be fired during a round, RoF determines how many shots can be fired per firing action. These shots must be fired against the same target and directly after each other. A RoF 2 pistol can be fired twice with a single firing action. If you chose to fire the gun twice you recieve a -1D penalty to all shots. This is not a MAP in itself, so it does only affect the Blaster skill roll. Otherwise MAPs work as usual.
For example: A Rebel fires his (RoF:2) pistol and also makes a dodge action towards some crates. This is two actions for a -1D MAP penalty. He fires his pistol quickly (twice) against a Stormtrooper and recieves a -1D penalty to both shots.
Result: 1 Blaster attack (2 shots) at -2D, 1 Dodge action at -1D.
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I disagree they are not needed. many (especially blaster rifles) seem modeled on WW2 era weapons (well their look), so the bolt action firing (one ROF) to me is in keeping with that.
Some others to me should have them as a balancing factor.
EG Blaster pistols. Base 4D. Anything modified to 4d+2 should have a ROF of 3 or less.
Heavies are base 5d. Anything 5d+2 or higher should to me be limited in ROF.
Rifles.. see above.
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| garhkal wrote: | I disagree they are not needed. many (especially blaster rifles) seem modeled on WW2 era weapons (well their look), so the bolt action firing (one ROF) to me is in keeping with that.
Some others to me should have them as a balancing factor.
EG Blaster pistols. Base 4D. Anything modified to 4d+2 should have a ROF of 3 or less.
Heavies are base 5d. Anything 5d+2 or higher should to me be limited in ROF.
Rifles.. see above. |
What I mean is that its not that common that someone shoots the rifle 3 or more times each round anyway. Therefore its more or less a moot point (not even touching the totally arbitrary values here).
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| instead of adding in ROFs for all of the weapons we limited how many actions could be taken in a round. it was a port from the generic d6 system book and it fit with our groups play style fairly well. |
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| ZzaphodD wrote: |
What I mean is that its not that common that someone shoots the rifle 3 or more times each round anyway. Therefore its more or less a moot point (not even touching the totally arbitrary values here). |
Maybe for you.. I have been in many games both home and convention gaming, where 4+ shots were taken with the same weapon.. not unreasonable especially when on force points!
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| garhkal wrote: | | ZzaphodD wrote: |
What I mean is that its not that common that someone shoots the rifle 3 or more times each round anyway. Therefore its more or less a moot point (not even touching the totally arbitrary values here). |
Maybe for you.. I have been in many games both home and convention gaming, where 4+ shots were taken with the same weapon.. not unreasonable especially when on force points! |
Yeah, force points being the exception.
My player dont run with 8-9D in blaster so we never see someone firing 4+ times, except for making the enemies keep their heads down while crossing a corridor perhaps (with no real chance of hitting anyways).
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I have seen some at 7d shoot 4 times.. That still gives them 4d per shot.
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I've seen someone with 6d shoot 4 times, which gives them 3d each shot
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| jmanski wrote: | | I've seen someone with 6d shoot 4 times, which gives them 3d each shot |
| garhkal wrote: | | I have seen some at 7d shoot 4 times.. That still gives them 4d per shot. |
I've been someone with 7D shooting 5 times. More than once, in fact. (There was a period of time a long while ago when my GM thought more soldiers was as much of a deterrent as better soldiers.)
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Yeah, I have also seen someone shoot their blaster 5 times, but its not a regular thing you do (unless your mowing down innocents with no combat skills). Its the exceptions that confirms the rule so to speak..
Fact is still that the current Fire Rate stats is totally pants, and in 95% of times a moot point. It would be another thing if blaster had a Fire Rate of 3-4, but none (barring a single exception perhaps) do. Now you usually can fire as fast as you can pull the trigger, or once every five seconds. Fine if you want 'bolt action star wars' then this is perfect for you. For those who do not want WWI blasters its a bit silly.
The above system is a way of both allowing for a more realistic system without increasing complexity very much, and also bring Fire Rate into the game in a way that actually means something.
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| ZzaphodD wrote: | | The above system is a way of both allowing for a more realistic system without increasing complexity very much, and also bring Fire Rate into the game in a way that actually means something. |
Let me try a couple of examples (remember these are just examples, I don't have the actual character's stats handy so if I got them wrong don't tell me, just change the example in your head  ).
(1) Han Solo (DL-44 ROF=1) blaster skill (say 9D) takes 4 firing action and dodges in a round. Each firing action is 1 shot and all actions are at -4D (for the 5 actions) so total of 4 shots at 5D skill each.
(2) Jango Fett (twin blasters ROF=3) blaster skill (say 10D) takes 4 firing actions and flies with his rocket pack in a round. Each firing action is at -4D for MAPs (firing and flying), in addition each firing action is 3 shots (for a further -2D penalty). So each of the 4x3=12 shots is at 10D-6D = 4D to hit. He can mow down an entire squad of simple battle droids.
Are these examples correct ZzaphodD?
I like the fact that there is another trade off between high damage and lower damage rapid fire weapons. I think this idea is interesting and may have promise. I would also be tempted to make many holdout blasters ROF=1 as well. |
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| Bren wrote: | | ZzaphodD wrote: | | The above system is a way of both allowing for a more realistic system without increasing complexity very much, and also bring Fire Rate into the game in a way that actually means something. |
Let me try a couple of examples (remember these are just examples, I don't have the actual character's stats handy so if I got them wrong don't tell me, just change the example in your head ).
(1) Han Solo (DL-44 ROF=1) blaster skill (say 9D) takes 4 firing action and dodges in a round. Each firing action is 1 shot and all actions are at -4D (for the 5 actions) so total of 4 shots at 5D skill each.
(2) Jango Fett (twin blasters ROF=3) blaster skill (say 10D) takes 4 firing actions and flies with his rocket pack in a round. Each firing action is at -4D for MAPs (firing and flying), in addition each firing action is 3 shots (for a further -2D penalty). So each of the 4x3=12 shots is at 10D-6D = 4D to hit. He can mow down an entire squad of simple battle droids.
Are these examples correct ZzaphodD?
I like the fact that there is another trade off between high damage and lower damage rapid fire weapons. I think this idea is interesting and may have promise. I would also be tempted to make many holdout blasters ROF=1 as well. |
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| Random Numbers wrote: | | Don't forget maps for the safety! |
Good one.  I wonder what the MAPs are for being hung over. Perhaps you can suggest an appropriate penalty.  |
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| Bren wrote: | | Random Numbers wrote: | | Don't forget maps for the safety! |
Good one. I wonder what the MAPs are for being hung over. Perhaps you can suggest an appropriate penalty. |
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| Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 4:51 am Post subject: Re: How to handle Rate of Fire |
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| ZzaphodD wrote: | The RoF stat is mostly totally arbitrary (except for some heavier weapons).
Even if they made sense anything else than 1 would most of the time with a rather meaningless limitation, as its not that often that you shoot your gun 3 or more times during a round (given the fact that its much harder to make that jump if you fired your gun three times instead of twice). Also, having blaster pistols that only can fire once every 5 seconds seem rather silly.
How about looking over the RoF values. Most pistols will have 2 some exceptional will have 3 (for example Jangos) while heavies will mostly have 1.
RoF will work in a new way. Instead ruling how many shots can be fired during a round, RoF determines how many shots can be fired per firing action. These shots must be fired against the same target and directly after each other. A RoF 2 pistol can be fired twice with a single firing action. If you chose to fire the gun twice you recieve a -1D penalty to all shots. This is not a MAP in itself, so it does only affect the Blaster skill roll. Otherwise MAPs work as usual.
For example: A Rebel fires his (RoF:2) pistol and also makes a dodge action towards some crates. This is two actions for a -1D MAP penalty. He fires his pistol quickly (twice) against a Stormtrooper and recieves a -1D penalty to both shots.
Result: 1 Blaster attack (2 shots) at -2D, 1 Dodge action at -1D. |
I think it looks reasonable. The only downside is more calculations for maps.
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