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There has been some mention in the novels (the X-Wing series specifically) of TIE fighters being less maneuverable in the atmosphere. I have some ideas for what form that should take, but I'd like some input from the forum, please.
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garhkal
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I just go with -2d
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Unless the craft in question is known for good atmospheric abilities I always use half maneuverability. The Z-95 and the cloakshape have no penalties in my adventures. I also add or subtract a bit according the looks of the craft. I can't see much aerodynamics in the Tie-fighters or the YT-1300...
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CRMcNeill
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| garhkal wrote: | | I just go with -2d |
I was thinking -2D for 1st. Gen TIEs, then -1D for 2nd. Gen stuff like the Interceptor and Bomber, but then 0D for the more advanced stuff like the Avenger and the Defender.
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garhkal
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Being those other ships have a higher maneuverability anyway, i feel -2d/-1d+1/-2 would be good.
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| I'd keep it simple and probably use -1D for a TIE. That puts it around the manuever of a stock freighter (typically 0D to 1D). But the real issue is what are the relative maneuverability. If both a YT-1300 and a TIE have reduced manueverability in atmosphere, relatively speaking you are back to square one, but rolling one less D for each. |
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| I'd suggest kicking up the difficulties by 1 level, rather than reducing the maneuverability. It keeps ships from becoming ION bait. just because it is in an atmosphere. |
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| atgxtg wrote: | | I'd suggest kicking up the difficulties by 1 level, rather than reducing the maneuverability. It keeps ships from becoming ION bait. just because it is in an atmosphere. |
So movement rolls would be one level harder, but TIE dodges keep the +2D maneuver? ...That could work. |
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| Bren wrote: | | atgxtg wrote: | | I'd suggest kicking up the difficulties by 1 level, rather than reducing the maneuverability. It keeps ships from becoming ION bait. just because it is in an atmosphere. |
So movement rolls would be one level harder, but TIE dodges keep the +2D maneuver? ...That could work. |
You could even scale it so that Thin atmospheres have no increased difficulty. Standard atmo = 1 difficulty level higher and Thick atmo = 2 difficulty increases.
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| Rerun941 wrote: | | You could even scale it so that Thin atmospheres have no increased difficulty. Standard atmo = 1 difficulty level higher and Thick atmo = 2 difficulty increases. |
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CRMcNeill
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| Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2011 8:56 pm Post subject: |
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| atgxtg wrote: | | I'd suggest kicking up the difficulties by 1 level, rather than reducing the maneuverability. It keeps ships from becoming ION bait. just because it is in an atmosphere. |
That makes sense. Aerodynamically speaking, a TIE's wing panels would restrict it in lateral motion, but not vertical. An increase in difficulty would reflect a skilled pilot remembering to roll his ship on its side and "climb" into a turn, rather than angling left or right and meeting resistance from the atmosphere across the wing panels.
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How does increasing the difficulty one level work in opposed roll situations say a TIE attempting to dodge a shot from a X-Wing?
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+5 per level shift to dodge/to hit
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So the X-wing rolls 15 to hit the TIE must roll 20 to dodge or it gets hit?
Seems fair enough.
Perhaps you can take risks and ignore the added difficulty but for every level of difficulty you ignore your ship must soak 2D damage.
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CRMcNeill
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| Esoomian wrote: | So the X-wing rolls 15 to hit the TIE must roll 20 to dodge or it gets hit?
Seems fair enough.
Perhaps you can take risks and ignore the added difficulty but for every level of difficulty you ignore your ship must soak 2D damage. |
Actually, per the RAW, on a normal Dodge, the X-Wing rolls against the TIE's maneuver + pilot's skill, not the base difficulty. However, the TIE's combined reaction roll must meet or exceed the base difficulty or it suffers a movement mishap. Unfortunately, per the RAW, this rule doesn't work for full reactions. On a full dodge, the TIE pilot's roll stacks with the base difficulty, which doesn't really make sense in that a TIE that is less maneuverable in atmosphere actually becomes more difficult to hit on a full dodge. Maybe a simple 1D penalty would be more appropriate after all.
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