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Jedi Skyler
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We all need to remember that when we're talking about a Wookiee Jedi, (or a Jedi of ANY species), we're talking about the exception to the species' stereotype, not the norm. I think that a Wookiee Jedi would be along the lines of a Jedi Battle Master; they walk a razor-edge line that is closer to the dark side than the other Jedi types. They have to work harder to maintain their ties to the light side, since battle is part and parcel of who they are. I don't see Wookiees being any different. In fact, being a Jedi gives them an extra avenue of calmness that most Wookiees don't possess.
And if nothing else, it has the potential for some GREAT roleplaying, especially if done by someone really familiar with both Wookiees and Jedi. I think that the Master who takes on a Wookiee would probably first teach him anything involving calm and meditation. Anything that would aid him in avoiding the rage Wookiees are famous for. |
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Volar the Healer
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I like the idea of a character that is strong one way but is balanced by a weakness somewhere else. A begining Jedi needs the team to protect him. An advanced one protects his team. But the soldier can still out shoot him and the pilot can still out fly him.
I don't like the idea of a wookie Jedi because such a character has no weakness. A character with no weakness is missing out on a lot of role playing possibilities.
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Jedi Skyler
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| Volar the Healer wrote: | | I don't like the idea of a wookie Jedi because such a character has no weakness. A character with no weakness is missing out on a lot of role playing possibilities. |
To the contrary, Wookiees have PLENTY of weaknesses. First off, and especially for a Jedi character, there's that pesky Wookiee rage. If they let themselves fall into it, they're gonna be racking up DSPs, and that's a HUGE weakness.
Plus, since so much of their known abilities lie in the areas of Strength and Technical, you have four other attribute areas that can will be weaker, giving you the opportunity for a LOT of character development. |
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garhkal
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| Jedi Skyler wrote: | | Volar the Healer wrote: | | I don't like the idea of a wookie Jedi because such a character has no weakness. A character with no weakness is missing out on a lot of role playing possibilities. |
To the contrary, Wookiees have PLENTY of weaknesses. First off, and especially for a Jedi character, there's that pesky Wookiee rage. If they let themselves fall into it, they're gonna be racking up DSPs, and that's a HUGE weakness.
Plus, since so much of their known abilities lie in the areas of Strength and Technical, you have four other attribute areas that can will be weaker, giving you the opportunity for a LOT of character development. |
And it is even worse of a hinderance, if you have opponents PLAY on that weakness. Setting situations to sput the wookie into rage, or worse yet, making it so their only way out IS to have the wookie go into rage..
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Chabit Rane
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Back to the subject of stormtroopers this is how I handle it.
Clones are the core of the Emporer's Stormtrooper leagons, the first 50 leagons in fact. The next 100 are volunteers from across the military. The next 200 leagons are concripts. And the last 200 are prisoners/criminals. With the exception of the clones, ALL are brainwashed. And in my setting at does not count elite stormtroopers, of which there are around 5 to 10 at one time. This does not count reserve units either (easily 3x more). That makes around 550 standard leagons  .
I'm glad I'm not one of my players  .
As to the wookie. I allow wookie jedi. But my solution is that if he/she rages, no force abilities can be used at ALL, must attack with melee weapons or hands (lightsaber can only be used if it was on before rage started, if no it is now a short club or fist load).
Thats my thoughts on the subject, hope it helps. |
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Revan
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If you play SW Battlefront II you will know the story of the 501st legion wich was formed during the clone wars and served the republic and the empire. They were all clones and appeared to be brainwashed too.
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Gry Sarth
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What I found strange in those BF2 narrations is that they give you the notion that all the clones knew right from the beginning that they would end up killling the jedi. I never thought it was that way, I figured Order 66 was something that was subconsciously implanted, an order that would remain latent until the necessary command was given. If all the clones knew and were aware that there would come a time when they would carry out the extermination of the jedi, it would be really hard for none of the jedi to sense something was up. Don't you think?
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Boomer
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AHG, one more change to the canon. 501st legion is also known as Vader's Fist. Vader himself founded and commanded it.
The actor who played Vader in the original three, the one who wore the suit, is a founding member of the 501st legion, a club of people who wear Storm Trooper costumes and other Imperial and Bounty Hunter/Merc uniforms and costumes.
And now they are all clones for some reason... wow.
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Jedi Skyler
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| Gry Sarth wrote: | | What I found strange in those BF2 narrations is that they give you the notion that all the clones knew right from the beginning that they would end up killling the jedi. I never thought it was that way, I figured Order 66 was something that was subconsciously implanted, an order that would remain latent until the necessary command was given. If all the clones knew and were aware that there would come a time when they would carry out the extermination of the jedi, it would be really hard for none of the jedi to sense something was up. Don't you think? |
Yeah, that's the impression I got as well. It HAD to be a subconsciously planted order so that the Jedi wouldn't catch on too quickly. It wouldn't be at all hard to do, given how clones are educated and manipulated. |
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Revan
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| Boomer wrote: | AHG, one more change to the canon. 501st legion is also known as Vader's Fist. Vader himself founded and commanded it.
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Nops! The 501st was founded during the clone wars and later Became known as Vader's Fist once Darth Vader rose to power and became his patronum.
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Boomer
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Basically, after the Clones were replaced by Storms.
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Revan
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| Boomer wrote: | | Basically, after the Clones were replaced by Storms. |
From what I understood, the clones of that especific division just got new armors and name when they became Imperial soldiers. They were clones with a new name but still clones. I didn't saw that brainwash thing on the game.
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Gry Sarth
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| Revan wrote: | | I didn't saw that brainwash thing on the game. |
It's just that the narrating clone is always saying, in the early missions, things like "we realized that if the jedi can be fooled, they can be killed", and "Aayla thanked us all, we couldn't look her in the eyes."
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Chello!
| Revan wrote: | | Nops! The 501st was founded during the clone wars and later Became known as Vader's Fist once Darth Vader rose to power and became his patronum. |
According to The Visual Dictionary of Star Wars, Episode III, when Anakin leads the clones into the Jedi Temple, they are members of the 501st Clone Trooper Regiment.
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Revan
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| Darth_Kjeran wrote: | Chello!
According to The Visual Dictionary of Star Wars, Episode III, when Anakin leads the clones into the Jedi Temple, they are members of the 501st Clone Trooper Regiment.
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Yeah! You play that scene of the movie in the game!
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