Creating a Force User

Camero · Commander Joined: 03 Feb 2006 Posts: 448

This is a question about the official rules of how to create a force user without using one of the pre-made templates.

I seem to remember in the 2nd Ed. that if you created a force user each force skill you took (Sense, Control, and Alter) would cost you an Attribute dice. So a human Jedi could only have 15d for Attributes (Dex, Kno, Mech, Per, Str, Tech) because the other 3d were in his force skills (Sense Control and Alter). Then you could raise your skills under your attributes or you Sense Control and Alter with you basic 7d for skills.

I remember arguign with my GM at the time that this made Jedi whimpy (having few attribute dice) but he said that it was in the name of game balance.

Anyway, in reading through the R&E Ed. I did not see the instructions on how one is supposed to use attribute dice for acquiring the Force Skills BUT the templates in the back still demonstrate this rule is in effect (the force users with Force Skills lack attriubte dice) - so what do you all make of this. Is that rule still in place (I may have just missed it) or what?

Whether or not it is a good rule is another story...
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Gry Sarth · Posted: Mon Sep 18, 2006 4:45 pm Post subject:

As far as I remember, under 2nd ed R&E rules, you have to use your Attribute Dice to buy Force Skills. You could have 17D for Attributes and 1D in Sense, or 15D for Attributes and 1D in each Force Skill, for example. I don't remember you being allowed to use your 7D skill dice to raise Force Skills, though.
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Camero · Commander Joined: 03 Feb 2006 Posts: 448

Yeah, that is how I remember it. But since our GM let us raise our force skills with the begining dice - to show expereice just like any other skill advancement - I guess I just assumed you could...

So it is in the R&E ed. too, thanks
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Phalanks Balas · Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 5:20 am Post subject:

You are not oblige to put a attibute die in all force attribute. A force sensitive character can for exemple have only Control and/or sense Force capability.
Anyway, the first die spend to "buy" a force capability (control, sense or alteration) come from your 18D pool of attribute dice. It may be possible to raise your Force skill by spending dice from 7D skill pool or from your 18D attribute pool (at your GM discretion). Maximum value generaly allowed (with a strong background) is 3D per Force skill.

Remember the more your Force skill is high the more the Empereur will be interested by you. It is wise to have other skills to be able to escape from possible chases from New Order members.
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garhkal · Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 5:35 am Post subject:

Yup. Each die of force skill starting out your template with, costs an attribute die...
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jmanski · Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 10:51 am Post subject:

I never liked that rule.

Ok, that's my snippiness for today- now I can be nice for the rest of the day!
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Kayle Skolaris · Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 3:44 pm Post subject:

I never liked that rule either, especially since no NPC follows it.

Camero · Commander Joined: 03 Feb 2006 Posts: 448

The way around the rule we sometimes used was to make a character that was just force sensitive and then have them learn the Force Skills post character creation - in game - so you already had your full attribute dice locked into your attributes. We didn't like the rule either but I still think it is a pretty good attempt at game balance.
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Kayle Skolaris · Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 11:32 pm Post subject:

Camero, that's my way around it as well. It just really bugs that you're supposed to sacrifice entire attribute dice, which are incredibly expensive to buy back with character points, for Force Skill dice, which advance as normal skills.

garhkal · Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 2:58 am Post subject:

Kayle Skolaris · Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 3:24 am Post subject:

Which is still a hell of a lot less than the times ten multiplier for improving Attributes.

jmanski · Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 11:00 pm Post subject:

We play in the Old Republic a lot, and since the rules were made for the original trilogy, I think it was made to balance the Jedi in that time frame. But since the Jedi Order is a training machine in the Republic, I don't think Jedi in this time period need to spend attribute dice for force skills- IMHO.

I, however, do not offer a money-back guarantee on this, either.
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