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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2018 4:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wajeb Deb Kaadeb wrote:
denderan marajain wrote:
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BoSS is now canon!

It is mentioned in TLJ's Incredible Cross Sections books.

And, so is the planet Celanon, for that matter (both made up for WEG's D6 game, originally).

And, The Corporate Sector is also now canon. The Canto Bite casino is on a world called Contonica, which is a desert world that has been terraformed. And, it sits in the Corporate Sector.


What is BoSS?


Bureau of Ships and Services, created by WEG for the D6 Star Wars game.

You'll find it in books like Platt's Starship Guide, Pirates & Privateers, and several other WEG books.

You'll also find it in Wookieepedia: BoSS
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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2018 10:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The new "gorilla" walker that we see in TLJ is designated the AT-M6. The "M6" means MegaCaliber Six Turbo Laser.

This is a siege engine weapon. I don't think that was made clear in the movie (the bigger siege weapon was used--the one that Finn tried to crash into).





The reason the front legs are redesigned (to resemble a knuckle walker) is to support the M6 from its recoil.






So, where the usual AT-AT is a general design vehicle that can be converted to several missions, the AT-M6 is a more specialized vehicle designed specifically for sieges. It has heavier armor, and much of its interior is given to turbines, batteries, power cells, and gun control.

The command "head" of the AT-M6 features two dual "chin" mounted turbo lasers plus two anti-vehicle canons.
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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2018 11:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Would not better classification for the AT-M6 Be a mobile artillery.
With the cannon thinge that Finn crashed as the breach weapon.
Much like a ram.

To me there are many SWU classification that really makes no sense.
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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2018 7:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mamatried wrote:
Would not better classification for the AT-M6 Be a mobile artillery.
With the cannon thinge that Finn crashed as the breach weapon.
Much like a ram.

To me there are many SWU classification that really makes no sense.


The cannon thing was being pulled by a different vehicle.
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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2018 7:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Ski-Speeder is a sport vehicle aimed at the public, built by the Verpine (who also built the B-Wing). It was meant for use on asteroids.

It's kind of a Star Wars X-Treme sports asteroid buggy!

Drivers/Pilots would place these things on asteroids and do all sorts of maneuvers, using the ski to jump off of rocks and slopes and such.

The sport's popularity waned, and the Ski-Speeders were sold off. A group of Rebels, backed by some people on Alderaan, bought some of these surplus sports vehicles, replaced the wing-tip camera with blaster cannon, and used them for patrol on Crait. This was BEFORE the Alliance came into existence at the very early days of the Rebellion.
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PostPosted: Sat May 12, 2018 11:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm reading issue #92 of the original Marvel run from the 70's, 80's, and 90's. It's a story called The Dream.

It's extremely interesting because this could be a prequel to The Last Jedi. The time is immediately after the Battle of Endor. The Alliance is still on the forest moon. Luke is having nightmares where he sees Darth Vader come to him and start to take off his mask, but Luke struggles for him to keep it on.

I haven't finished the story yet, but the novelization of TLJ begins with Luke having a dream that turns out to be a omen through the Force.

In the story, Ackbar and the Alliance encourage Luke to start training Jedi, but he refuses. He realizes what a responsibility that is, and he doesn't feel qualified to take it on.

This plays right into Luke's major hang-up in TLJ--that hubris got to him, and he knew, just knew, that he could train the raw power he saw in Ben Solo. But, when he did, the action blew up in his face. He ended up destroying the family of his sister and his best friend and creating a monster to rival Darth Vader--setting him loose on the galaxy.

I'm sure it is just coincidence (or, who knows, maybe Rian Johnson read this and it sprouted his ideas), but it is uncanny how this comic from February, 1992, fits in with an unexpected story about the same character a quarter century later.

Also, I think this is the first time I've seen a hand holo projector in Star Wars.
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PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2018 12:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wajeb Deb Kaadeb wrote:
I'm reading issue #92 of the original Marvel run from the 70's, 80's, and 90's. It's a story called The Dream... I'm sure it is just coincidence (or, who knows, maybe Rian Johnson read this and it sprouted his ideas), but it is uncanny how this comic from February, 1992, fits in with an unexpected story about the same character a quarter century later.

The story you refer to was published in 1984. The original Marvel run of Star Wars comic ended in 1986, and the Dark Horse started publishing Star Wars comics in late 1991.
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PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2018 12:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whill wrote:
Wajeb Deb Kaadeb wrote:
I'm reading issue #92 of the original Marvel run from the 70's, 80's, and 90's. It's a story called The Dream... I'm sure it is just coincidence (or, who knows, maybe Rian Johnson read this and it sprouted his ideas), but it is uncanny how this comic from February, 1992, fits in with an unexpected story about the same character a quarter century later.

The story you refer to was published in 1984. The original Marvel run of Star Wars comic ended in 1986, and the Dark Horse started publishing Star Wars comics in late 1991.


Ah, silly me. Issue #92, from February.
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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2018 8:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was curious if there were any explanation why the lightsabers didn't tear up the weapons used by Snoke's Praetorian guard.

For the weapons, there's this fine, torch-like spike of flame that shoots out in front of the blade of the weapons. This is a "electro plasma blade," capable of deflecting a lightsaber. The melee weapons are supposed to be ultra expensive and ultra high tech.

The Praetorian armor has filaments that creates an intense, local magnetic field that, again, protects the wearer from a lightsaber blow. Note that this is not 100% effective, as we saw in the film. The armor is heavy, expensive, and the mag field is painful for the wearer.



There's not much on the background of the Guard. Snoke wanted the red armor to resemble the Emperor's Royal Guard in the "what's old is new" fashion of the First Order.

And, there's this...

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The origins of the Praetorians remains a mystery. The name itself dates back to the 14th Atrisian Emperor of Kitel Phard.


Whatever that means.
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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2018 11:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wajeb Deb Kaadeb wrote:
I was curious if there were any explanation why the lightsabers didn't tear up the weapons used by Snoke's Praetorian guard.


Probably Rule of Cool, if nothing else.

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The origins of the Praetorians remains a mystery. The name itself dates back to the 14th Atrisian Emperor of Kitel Phard.


Whatever that means.


Some backwater king dude waaaay back in ancient Old Republic history if I recall correctly (and I might not be).
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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2018 12:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wajeb Deb Kaadeb wrote:
I was curious if there were any explanation why the lightsabers didn't tear up the weapons used by Snoke's Praetorian guard.

Really? Some Separatist droids in RotS had staves that were resistant to lightsaber blades, and some FO stormtroopers in TFA had riot weapons that did that. (Remember the guy who said "traitor" and engaged Finn on Maz's planet?) For the red guards in TLJ, I just figured it was more of the same.

I completely forgave its existence in RotS and TFA because the movies otherwise had killer, proper lightsaber duels. In TLJ it's a point of disappointment for me because it replaces proper lightsaber dueling.
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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2018 12:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was expecting to see something about cortosis weave, but to my knowledge, that hasn't been made part of the new canon.

As long as whatever it is that can deflect lightsabers is (A) not 100% effective, and (B) very expensive and/or very hard to use, I'm OK with it.

TLJ stuff meets these requirements.

Plus...I guess we're seeing some technology increase, too.

The riot weapon in TFA is less forgivable, imo.
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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2018 7:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wajeb Deb Kaadeb wrote:
I was expecting to see something about cortosis weave, but to my knowledge, that hasn't been made part of the new canon.

As long as whatever it is that can deflect lightsabers is (A) not 100% effective, and (B) very expensive and/or very hard to use, I'm OK with it.

TLJ stuff meets these requirements.

Plus...I guess we're seeing some technology increase, too.

The technology increase doesn't track with it appearing in RotS and not in the classic films, but yes, it make sense if it is very expensive and rare. And there certainly isn't any increase between TFA and TLJ because the movies overlap each other (meaning everything "new" in TLJ already existed during TFA offscreen).

Wajeb Deb Kaadeb wrote:
The riot weapon in TFA is less forgivable, imo.

Hey, I actually read a canon YA book (Before The Awakening) that addresses that a bit. The implication was that those troopers were actually trained to fight any surviving Jedi students that might still be out there. We know from both films that Snoke is absolutely obsessed with completely destroying the Jedi. Even though Kylo Ben's faction of Luke's school killed the good ones, there still could be rogue Jedi traditions out there from the rise of the Empire. Or just people using lightsabers they found and appear to be Jedi or might even give the galaxy hope that the Jedi will save them from the First Order. So Snoke spared no expense at having some troops that can deal with these lightsaber-wielding enemies, despite how rare they may be.
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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2018 9:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know why this is coming to me after all these years, but here's a question: Why didn't the Alliance use their X-Wings against the Walkers on Hoth, especially when the speeder weapons had a hard time penetrating that armor?

And, where was the Walker air support? Those Star Destroyers had several squadrons--surely they could have run a CAP above the Walkers as they advanced.
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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2018 9:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wajeb Deb Kaadeb wrote:
I don't know why this is coming to me after all these years, but here's a question: Why didn't the Alliance use their X-Wings against the Walkers on Hoth, especially when the speeder weapons had a hard time penetrating that armor?

And, where was the Walker air support? Those Star Destroyers had several squadrons--surely they could have run a CAP above the Walkers as they advanced.

Because X-Wings and Imperial air support vehicles were not adapted for extended combat in the cold. Snowspeeders were only renamed airspeeders, and the film establishes that they were having trouble adapting them to the cold. Nighttime temperatures on Hoth were still too cold for the snowspeeders, which is why the rebels had to wait until the following morning to search for Han and Luke. It's a good thing for the Alliance that the Empire attacked during the day. But then again maybe night temperatures would be too cold for even walkers.
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