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ZzaphodD
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| thedemonapostle wrote: | one thing i have yet to see folks chime in about is the effectiveness of a firearm within its ranges.
everyone seems to think that blasters have better ranges until you actually look at them. for example the longest ranged blaster i can find is a sporting sniper blaster and most heavy repeating blasters. and that's only out to 500 meters on the long range. an m-40a5 has an effective range of 900m. the firearm equivalent of a heavy repeating blaster is probably an m-2 machine gun. and it has an effective range of 1,800m.
also, where are all the star wars blaster shotguns? closest i can find is the BlasTech Firespray DL-87 and that seems to suck... |
If you look at blasters in-game (the only option), you have to compare to firearmes in-game. Check out the firearm ranges. Some weird exceptions aside they are rather modest.
If you want to represent real 'maximum' ranges you would have to add a new range beyong Long, perhaps calling it Extreme. This has been discussed in the Sniper thread.
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thedemonapostle
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maximum ranges: for example the 5.56x45mm round fired from the M-16A4 has a long range of roughly 550 meters. but its maximum range is rated at 3,600 meters. whereas the maximum range rating for the 7.62x51mm round is roughly 3,750 meters. and as i recall, the max range of the .50bmg is around 4.5 miles (~7,250 meters)
in my pre-army police academy firearms training/instruction i was using my own combat shotgun with a smooth bore 18" barrel and hitting 12" steel plates at 100+ meters with slugs. i was even using a glock 17 (9x19mm) and hitting those same steel plates at just over 100 meters as well, hard as heck but possible. no scopes used.
id say extreme range would be somewhere between long and maximum, but the weapon wont do too much damage at extreme range
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garhkal
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| Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 11:40 pm Post subject: |
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| thedemonapostle wrote: | one thing i have yet to see folks chime in about is the effectiveness of a firearm within its ranges.
everyone seems to think that blasters have better ranges until you actually look at them. for example the longest ranged blaster i can find is a sporting sniper blaster and most heavy repeating blasters. and that's only out to 500 meters on the long range. an m-40a5 has an effective range of 900m. the firearm equivalent of a heavy repeating blaster is probably an m-2 machine gun. and it has an effective range of 1,800m.
also, where are all the star wars blaster shotguns? closest i can find is the BlasTech Firespray DL-87 and that seems to suck... |
If you go back to one of the equipment threads i made (or was it in house rules) where i show my firearms, they are comparable (if a little less) than the same ranges for blasters... that way they still are a little less.. EXCEPT for the full auto machine gun type weaponry (M2, M60 etc) and proper sniper rifles...
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thedemonapostle
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went digging through my collection of .pdf's and came across this stuff. just thought id throw it out there for ya all. i know is not star wars but it is WEG.
D6 Adventure version 1.0 1993(page 78 )
Name DMG
Colt .45 Peacemaker 4D
Luger P08 4D
Smith & Wesson .38 4D
Smith & Wesson .357 Magnum 4D+2
Walther PP08 4D
Walther P38 4D
Webley Mark 6 4D+2
Rifles
Springfield Rifle 5D+1
Enfield .30 5D+1
Remington Mod 30 5D+1
Shotguns
Remington Mod 31 (20 gauge) 5D+2
Remington Mod 32 (12 gauge) 5D+1
Submachine Guns
Bergmann 4D+2
Schmeisser MP38 4D+2
Schmeisser MP40 4D+2
Thompson 5D+2
Machine Guns
Browning .50 7D+1
Spandau 7.92 7D
Vickers MK.1 6D+2
D6 Adventure version 2.0 2004(page 116)
Name DMG
.30 M1 Carbine 5D+1
Colt Snub .38 revolver 4D
Colt .45 Peacemaker 4D+1
Glock 17 9mm† pistol 3D+2
Luger P08 9mm 3D+2
Derringer .45 pistol 4D
Smith & Wesson .38 revolver 4D
Smith & Wesson .357 Magnum 5D
Walter PPK 9mm short 3D
Rifles
Blunderbuss 4D
Flintlock musket 3D+2
Springfield M1903 Rifle (.30-06) 7D
Remington Mod 30 5D+1
Winchester 94 lever action (30-30) 6D+1
Shotguns
Mossberg M500 (12-guage pump) 6D
Remington 30 (12-guage side by side) 6D
Sawed-off (12-guage) 6D
Assault Rifle
Kalashnikov AK-47 (7.62x39mm) 6D
Submachine Guns
Bergmann MP18 (9mm) 3D+2
Schmeisser MP38/40 (9mm) 3D+2
TEC-9 machine pistol (9mm) 3D+2
Thompson M1928/M1 (.45ACP) 4D+2
Israeli Uzi (9mm) 3D+2
Machine Guns
MG42 “Spandau” (7.92x57mm) 8D+2
Vickers MK.1 (.303) 7D+1
D6 Space 2004(page 108)
Name DMG
Light semi-automatic 3D+2
Medium semi-automatic 4D 17
Heavy semi-automatic 5D+1
Rifles (slug-throwers)
Short range (1 shot per round) 5D+1
Standard (1 shot per round) 5D+1
Hunting (semi-automatic) 5D+2
Shotguns (slug-throwers)
Single shot (12 gauge) 5D+1
Semi-automatic (12 gauge) 5D+1
Sawed-off double-barrel (12 gauge) 5D+1
Assault Rifle (slug-thrower) 6D
Submachine Guns (slug-throwers)
Light 4D+2
Medium 5D
Heavy 5D+2
Machine pistol 4D+1
Machine Guns (slug-throwers)
Light 6D+2
Medium 7D+1
just thought id throw this all out there and get everyones opinions on it all...
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garhkal
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Wow.. a WW2 german MG is more damaging than an Eweb?
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| Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 2:09 pm Post subject: |
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| IIR the D6 game upped the damage for firearms but they also increased the max human attributes from 4D to 5D - so you may need higher firearm damage to counter the 5D STR humans. |
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