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Chandra Mindarass
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 Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2012 11:16 am Post subject: Fuel and port fees |
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Sorry, if that question has been asked already, but I was unable to find any official takes on this. I always made up my own rates, but I wonder, if anything has ever been written about this by WEG.
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ZzaphodD
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In Galaxy Guide 6, Tramp Freighters. But I think the fuel part was left out in 2nd ed.
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ZzaphodD is correct. The 1st. edition of Tramp Freighters has rules for fuel cell consumption, but WEG pulled them from the 2E book, likely because it was pretty bookkeeping intensive to keep track of fuel consumption by the hour based on whatever the ship was doing at any given time. 2E basically just makes refueling something that happens when the ship goes into port that you have to pay for. From a gaming standpoint, the 2E version works better, even if the 1E version is more realistic. The bookkeeping side of it slows down gameplay, and the arguments over number crunching can bring a game screeching to a halt entirely.
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| crmcneill wrote: | | ZzaphodD is correct. The 1st. edition of Tramp Freighters has rules for fuel cell consumption, but WEG pulled them from the 2E book, likely because it was pretty bookkeeping intensive to keep track of fuel consumption by the hour based on whatever the ship was doing at any given time. 2E basically just makes refueling something that happens when the ship goes into port that you have to pay for. From a gaming standpoint, the 2E version works better, even if the 1E version is more realistic. The bookkeeping side of it slows down gameplay, and the arguments over number crunching can bring a game screeching to a halt entirely. |
Actually calling the 1st ed fuel bookkeeping intensive really shows that the view of the intellectual capabilities of role playing gamers are rather low. 
The bookkeeping part was actually very light, and the fuel rules gave operating a tramp freighter a sense of difference from the usual 'space opera' gaming.
The only thing that was recorded by the hour was during space combat IIRC. I have never played through a space combat that took more than a couple of minutes at most.
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| Anyone feel like writing up the fuel consumption rules for those of us who don't have the 1E guide? I'm currently running a couple of smugglers and for a change we are actually tracking revenue, expenses (including the vig on their loan to Ploovo 2-for-1), and income. |
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| Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2012 4:14 pm Post subject: |
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I just bought a copy of the 1E Tramp Freighters on line. I'll go through it and see what I can find as far as differences and write them up.
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Basically, you use up one fuel cell every time you:
-Enter hyperspace
-Spend six hours traveling in hyperspace
-Spend one month in real space
-Spend one hour in combat or in atmospheric flight
Most stock freighters carry 50 fuel cells, but additional fuel cells can be purchased and installed at a cost of 500 credits and .1 tons each
Cells can be refueled at a spaceport with refueling services at variable rates:
Trickle = 1 cell/day @ 5 credits/cell
Standard = 1 cell/hour @ 10 credits/cell
Fast = 4 cells/hour @ 50 credits/cell
Emergency = 20 cells/hour @ 500 credits/cell (In this case, they are actually replacing depleted cells with previously charged cells)
Hope that helps. For some reason I was thinking there was more detail, but that was all I could find.
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Thats all there is to it. In another thread about fuel I posted my rules for fuel consumption for faster hyper drives (as it is now, going fast saves you fuel).
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Link?
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Found some additional material. The fuel cell rules also change how the Solid Fuel Convertor works. It now requires five metric tons of light material (oxygen, water, plastics, wood/cellulose, waste, etc.) to recharge one cell, or one metric ton of heavy material (uranium, plutonium, etc.), and the convertor functions at a rate of 1/2 ton per hour.
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| crmcneill wrote: | Basically, you use up one fuel cell every time you:
-Enter hyperspace
-Spend six hours traveling in hyperspace
-Spend one month in real space
-Spend one hour in combat or in atmospheric flight
Most stock freighters carry 50 fuel cells, but additional fuel cells can be purchased and installed at a cost of 500 credits and .1 tons each
Cells can be refueled at a spaceport with refueling services at variable rates:
Trickle = 1 cell/day @ 5 credits/cell
Standard = 1 cell/hour @ 10 credits/cell
Fast = 4 cells/hour @ 50 credits/cell
Emergency = 20 cells/hour @ 500 credits/cell (In this case, they are actually replacing depleted cells with previously charged cells)
Hope that helps. For some reason I was thinking there was more detail, but that was all I could find. |
Oh, I think I could make that much more complex. It doesn't even factor in mass and occupancy of the ship!
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Thanks all.
I'll see if I can work that into the campaign. |
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Ill post it in this thread instead.
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Id also change the consumption in hyperspace. As it is a x0,5 hyperspace engine consumes less fuel per distance than a x2.
Per 6 hours in hyperspace: 1 Cell is the generic rule from GG6.
Modified by hyperspace engine speed
Hyperspace multiplicator / Consumption modifier
x3 / x0,5
x2 / x1 (As per the GG6)
x1 / x3
x0,5 / x6
For example: a x0,5 hyperpspace engine will consume 6 cells per 6 hours of hyperspace travel compared to the 'standard' 1 cell/6 hours for a x2 engine. On the other hand its 4 times as fast.
To save fuel, a ship may go through hyperspace at a lower speed than its maximum.
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Chandra Mindarass
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Awesome! That's exactly what I'd been looking for. I used to ignore this in favour of game-play, too, as long as the players were rebels on the run. I deducted some credits every now and then for port fees, food and gambling. Now after 7+ years real-time, RotJ has taken place and one of the players is running a small freighter fleet. This stuff is really helpful, thanks!
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| Chandra Mindarass wrote: | | Awesome! That's exactly what I'd been looking for. I used to ignore this in favour of game-play, too, as long as the players were rebels on the run. I deducted some credits every now and then for port fees, food and gambling. Now after 7+ years real-time, RotJ has taken place and one of the players is running a small freighter fleet. This stuff is really helpful, thanks! |
If you don't already have them, I would suggest copies of GG6: Tramp Freighters and Platt's Smuggler's Guide. Both books have a lot of useful information on the details of day-to-day operations for a small freighter, whether its business is legitimate or otherwise.
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